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Exaggerations And Misinformation: Air Losses In Nagorno-Karabakh Battle

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Exaggerations And Misinformation: Air Losses In Nagorno-Karabakh Battle

Illustrative image, source: https://twitter.com/HikmetHajiyev

Since the beginning of the battle in the disputed region Nagorno-Karabakh on September 27, Armenia and Azerbaijan have made false claims about the air losses of each other. 

The Ministry of Defense of Armenia claims that its Air Defense Force has, thus far, shot down 188 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), 16 helicopters and 21 fighter jets over Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia’s airspace.

On the other side, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan claimed that its Air Defense Force had shot down 8 UAVs and 2 fighters jets, both were allegedly Su-25s .

The real numbers of air losses during Nagorno-Karabakh battle appear to be far smaller than those provided by both Armenia and Azerbaijan.

According to Lost Armour, the verified aerial losses of the Azerbaijani side are:

  1. An unidentified UAV was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 28;
  2. An An-2 aircraft was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 29;

    Exaggerations And Misinformation: Air Losses In Nagorno-Karabakh Battle

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  3. An An-2 aircraft was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 29;

    Exaggerations And Misinformation: Air Losses In Nagorno-Karabakh Battle

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  4. An An-2 aircraft was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 29;

    Exaggerations And Misinformation: Air Losses In Nagorno-Karabakh Battle

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  5. An An-2 aircraft was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 29;
  6. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 29;
  7. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 29;
  8. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 30;
  9. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 1;

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  10. An An-2 aircraft was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 1;

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  11. An Orbiter 1K was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 4;
  12. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 8;
  13. An IAI Harop loitering munition crashed in the Georgian region of Kakheti on October 8;

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  14. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 8;
  15. An Orbiter 3 was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 11;
  16. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 11;
  17. An IAI Harop loitering munition was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 11;
  18. An An-2 aircraft was shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 12;

  19. An IAI Harop loitering munition crashed in the Iranian region of Parsabad on October 13;

The verified air losses of the Armenian side are:

  1. A Su-25k fighter shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on September 29;

    Exaggerations And Misinformation: Air Losses In Nagorno-Karabakh Battle

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  2. A Baze UAV shot down over Nagorno-Karabakh on October 8;
  3. A X-55 UAV shot down the Azerbaijani region of Agdam on October 12;

The numbers of verified aerial losses prove, without a doubt, that Armenia and Azerbaijan have exaggerated the losses of each other. The exaggerated numbers were liked released as a form of psychological warfare.

In addition to exaggerating the numbers of air losses, both sides made false accusations regarding the aerial and missile attacks of each other.

Armenia and Azerbaijan have been engaged in a “propaganda war” since the outbreak of Nagorno-Karabakh battle. The claims of both sides should be viewed with extreme caution.

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johnny rotten

It was obvious from the start, it’s more a war of words than a real war, then when turkeys join the chorus of bullshit the chatter becomes deafening.

aces

it is more a real war than a war of words…if you are too annoyed with the chatter then talk about your multiple account greek friends first…hypocrisy at its finest…

rightiswrong rightiswrong

Says the new account holder, a goatfucker.

aces

how is 2019 new mr pigfucker?

rightiswrong rightiswrong

Turkish delight, a pig fucker.

You can’t afford such meat, so stay with your goat and kids.

aces

bla bla bla…piss off cocksucker teen

rightiswrong rightiswrong

You wish for a teenager!

Try your sister, we have, lol.

aces

i wish your hot mom bastard teen:))

Goats, pigs, you people seem to be obsessed with the bestiary.

I still hold that the Amerikastani who called me a “hook nosed camel fucker” back in 2003 for opposing the invasion of Iraq has you all beaten in the abuse game.

cechas vodobenikov

low intensity; much manufactured w self made videos; the tech has advanced quite a lot

Jihadi Colin

It is a meat grinder war of attrition. Those who imagine that because there aren’t any blitzkrieg advances or Debaltsevo style envelopment battles there isn’t a war are sadly mistaken.

Random Dude

Armenia while claiming to have destroyed and UAV forgets that those are Loitering Munitions that self destruct upon hitting the target. It does mean that its destroyed, but doesn’t mean shot down. Ironic.

Rhodium 10

But to shot down these loitering drones avoid casualties and damage beside each Harop drone cost 10 million dollars.

Random Dude

who told you all drones are Harop?:)))))

Rhodium 10

Because almost all pieces that have been found are from Harop which have a Delta wing.

Random Dude

So no TB2 is being used. Pretty cool advance without Turkish aerial UAV support

HB_Norica

It means the loitering munition was destroyed by Armenian forces before it could complete it’s mission … and no you can’t claim to have head butted a bullet if you get shot in the head either.

Random Dude

Number of Armenian armor blown up is oddly similar to downed Azeri drones. But maybe its just me imagination. What is not the imagination is the cost comparison and number of crew comparison.

Paul

Armenians didn’t prepare their military and they relied too much on the weakened Russia.The thing is Russia can’t intervene in Armenia as Putin is scared of uncle Sam.uncle Sam doesn’t trust Armenia coz they consider them a Russian and Chinese ally.So Armenia is in trouble.They only have 2 options.Either fight like houthis but I don’t think they have the battle spirit.Or negotiate

HitlerWasRight

putin is scared of the merchants

Paul

He is scared of uncle Sam.Russia is no Soviet union.Its military has weakened due to the Syrian war and is in no shape to get involved in another conflict

NITRAM28

care to elaborate how exactly can 1 squadron of aircraft and one battalion of military police deplyed in syria can weaken a military the size of Russia’s?

cechas vodobenikov

you should marry jenny or tammy—SF clowns

Whacko

Once Putin starts the war, nothing can be stopped.

Vassa

Total delusional and clueless nonsense as usual – Uncle Sam doesn’t give a flying fuck about Armenia or Azerbaijan, especially not now.
Russia can’t and won’t intervene for various reasons: 1) they don’t trust current armenian leadership, 2) they have no legal pretext to intervene in NK (Russia didn’t recognize it, not even Armenia did), 3) they are trying to keep Azerbaijan relatively friendly, 4) they definitely trying to keep Turkey ‘friendly’, 5) they have unsolved problems already in Syria, Ukraine, Belarus now, plus with EU (Navalny). They don’t need another front right now, especially not there. Russia don’t need NK. But if/when Armenia lose, Russia probably hope that another, more friendly government will seize power.

white.male

don’t trigger mongoloids in sunday , 1 $ = 8 lira and 90% of their population want to travel to europe for better life and salary. They are already done ,show some mercy for them.

Porc Halal

The EU should halt all muslims traveling/migration in to it…they (muslims) say they come for a better life but this is a lie they come here to spread the cancer that their fucked up religion represents

HitlerWasRight

its what (((they))) do comment image

Garga

Both sides try to work our feelings. There was a sudden increase in the number of loud accounts bombarding us with their side’s propaganda. Most of them are illiterate and apparently the only qualification needed is to be able to write in English (or maybe just knowing how to ctrl+c and ctrl+v).
I can only imagine what’s going on in Russian part of the internet and social network.

The solution I found is to block any account created after September 25th that fits this category and I don’t care which side they are on. I’m here to read stale news and have a discussion. The stale news is there but since that date it became impossible to have a satisfying discussion and meaningful exchange.

PS. Anybody has any news from d’artagnan and Tudor? I hope both are well.

viktor ziv

Tudor posted like two weeks ago. Both of them are in cloak mode, for a while. Share Your concerns.

Garga

Yeah, I saw Tudor’s post a couple of weeks ago. Just wanted to make sure they are OK.

Tudor Miron

I’m fine, thank you. Hope that you’re well and safe as well :) I am a bit too busy to write to SF concerning the ban. I wouldn’t go into describing whats going on in Ruzionic media – in short, they’re too busy trying to instigate a maidan in Russia.
I will tell you my own observations: When that little color revolution happened in Armenia (Pashinian), one clever man called Pachinian “This bloody clown” and said that fairly soon we will see why.
Also, there are “rumors” that long term plan is a) Local Armenians (populating that area) will be wiped out by Azeri’s. b) Than Azeri’s will be wiped out for genocide of Armenians. c) Than “proper” Armenians which went through western culture preparation will be brought in the “liberated” area. Эчмиадзин will become a world center of Christian religions. Armenians will become “new” Jews.
How about that for a conspiracy theory? :)

Vassa

“There was a sudden increase in the number of loud accounts bombarding us with their side’s propaganda.”
Drone swarm ?

Harry Smith

Looks like Disqus blocks every account which is registered with e-mail in .ru domain. I had a long conversation with SF tech support until Disqus unblocked my account. But most of the people don’t familiar with how all this works, won’t even try to contacts the support.
Anyway you can ask me about internal Russian media tendencies. In a brief there are to big diasporas of Azeris and Armenians in Russia. So now Russian media field is divided in 3 parts: pro-Armenians, pro-Azeris and those who think Russia must intervene only if Russian interests will be threatened.

Garga

Your account was blocked means you couldn’t log-in? Maybe the same happened for Tudor?

That’s bad, very bad because disqus was almost the best commenting service there is with minimal interference and trigger words.
I hope it doesn’t go the way Spot.IM (now rebranded as OpenWeb) went. I don’t know why RT uses their service but it was one of a few reasons a fled from RT, leaving a comment as I write here is impossible there.

Good thing you wrote for SF team. I saw very often people complain about their comments being removed without a reason (there is a reason, trolls flag that comment 5-6 times and it gets removed), while doing what you did solves the problem for them forever because when the team see there’s no real issue with the comment, they no longer count the flaggers valid reporters.
Glad you are back.

Jihadi Colin

No good commenting service will be permitted to go uncontrolled. Why, the truth might leak out!

InternetEtiquette

His account was only auto-banned by mainstream U.S. websites; unfortunately, many American news sites ban any Russian e-mail domain names, and so if you sign up for Disqus via such a domain, you find yourself unable to post.

Breitbart, The Hill, Newser, and the like all have banned Yandex from their sites.

Garga

Thank you for explanation.

Harry Smith

My account was not blocked, but every time I were posting a comment I got the warning I am banned on SF.
And, yes. I am an IT guy so I kinda know how the things work. That’s why I have contacted SF tech support.

InternetEtiquette

Actually, only individual websites ban (dot) ru domains. Anyone can install Disqus onto their website; Disqus does serve Russian customers. It’s just that many mainstream American news sites ban e-mails with Russian domains e.g. yandex dot ru) and so if you create a Disqus account via such a domain, you’re unable to post.

Harry Smith

I were not blocked by SF, but every time I tried to post a comment it was that I am banned by SF. As SF tech support said, accounts with e-mails in .ru are experiencing problems now with Disqus.

Tudor Miron

I was banned for unknown (to me) reason. This is while all sorts of trolls mentioned by you are playing their games freely. I don’t know if this was Disqus or SF ban.

Garga

Happened to Harry Smith too. His theory is the all accounts registered by a .ru email were banned.
Glad you are back, missed you.

Porc Halal

I did say several times that azeris propaganda did exagerate their military attacks on armenians…

aces

it is more credible than your armenian propaganda…stop crying and enjoy the party…its just the beginning…

Erol

Propaganda is not needed, the Videos speak for themselves….

cechas vodobenikov

videos produced by photoshop in a basement in Istanbul or Hollywood?

Servet Köseoğlu

Drones allow the armed forces to undertake missions that would be too risky or impossible with manned aircraft or infantry…Azerbaijan is attacking side and drones are sacrificial..ı am just wondering the verifiable losses of Armenian aa systems(launchers,radars),howitzers,tanks,ural trucks etc infantry and the stuff of fleeing soldiers(atgms,mortars)…Aggressive use of drones instead of manned aircraft is evolving anyway..Loosing drone is much more preferable than losing Pilot along with aircraft… Gains and efficiencies are much more teaching than the traditional approach.

Whacko

Happy Independence Day Azerbaijan…
://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3bc68a987098899c078f739a0818acbeca841cccaea67700ae0cfb512043facc.png

Whacko

The Fight For Nagorno-Karabakh: Documenting Losses on The Sides Of Armenia and Azerbaijan.

A detailed list of the destroyed and captured vehicles of both sides can be seen below. This list will be updated as additional footage becomes available.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html?m=1

Samuel Vanguard

both sides are using propaganda to present an otherwise bleak picture to a sunday tea party in the ground,fact is both sides are trading heavy blows

Whacko

Enemy military equipment and weapons seized

We present video footage and photos of seized military equipment and ammunition left on the battlefield by the enemy fleeing due to his heavy losses in the battles in the Fizuli direction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqPYjaS63Q&feature=youtu.be

Whacko

Armenia continues to be the largest free supplier of weapons for the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsmo79Max5Y&feature=youtu.be

Rhodium 10

The AZ propagande claims that they are advancing… OK…but if you see the map…in the North part are insignificant…and in the South part the advance is close to Iran border and along it where Armenian artillery are limited to avoid hit Iran and cause casualties among Irani population…for other side the error of NK forces is to fight an enemy without a decent Airdefense vs small drones and Join a large number of troops and equipment in trench where drones with laser pointer guide 152mm Krasnopol artillery…we have seen the first days that AZ did the same and Armenian guide artillery destroyed many AZ equipment!…another point is that seems that NK forces are not trained for a guerrilla warfare and special operations able to infiltrate in enemy areas

swedish_viking

And there’s no S-300 on that list but it has one independently placed 35D6 radar of the republic of Artsakh.
https://lostarmour.info/karabakh/

cechas vodobenikov

all reasonable people at SF were already aware

The Objective

I didn’t see how many TB-2 drones were lost. Most are Israeli and Azerbaijani drones. These Bayraktar TB-2 drones seems to be a nightmare for Russian AA defense systems.

Jihadi Colin

This “psychological warfare”, obviously, does not delude the enemy, who knows what his own losses are. They’re only meant for domestic consumption.

Rodney Loder

Nagorno-Karabakh is independent Armenian majority populated State, because that’s what my confidants in Heaven sent down to me and temporally it’s better that way to compensate for South Sudan being ripped off by the maggot Jews and we see the result, KSA, UAE, Bahrain and Sudan becoming satanists, we need Allies in the Western camp, especially since Trump appears to be at the end of the road pushing China and Russia against Israel, not much we can do while the world wants the Jew Freemasons to retain the power of mind control, usurped from me Jesus Christ.

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