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Erosion Of Advantage Against China And Russia? RAND Corporation Claims US ‘Gets Its Ass Handed To It’ In WW3 Simulation

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Erosion Of Advantage Against China And Russia? RAND Corporation Claims US ‘Gets Its Ass Handed To It’ In WW3 Simulation

FILE PHOTO: US tank at Mihail Kogalniceanu Air Base, Romania © US Department of Defense / Cpl. Emily Dorumsgaard, USMC

On March 7, the Center for a New American Security hosted a “panel discussion on why the U.S. military needs to change how it fights to meet the challenge of great-power competition as described in the 2018 National Defense Strategy“. A notable part of the discussion was dedicated to claims tha the US should increase its military spending in order to contain Russian and Chinese threats.

According to the provided version of the events, in a simulated ‘World War 3’ scenario, the US may loses decisively to Russia and China if it engages them in reginos near their borders: like the Baltics for Russia or Taiwan for China.

“We lose a lot of people. We lose a lot of equipment. We usually fail to achieve our objective of preventing aggression by the adversary,” RAND analyst David Ochmanek told a security conference. “In our games, when we fight Russia and China, blue gets its ass handed to it.”

The main voiced concern is that land, sea, air, space, and cyberspace would all be up for contention in such a conflict. Previously, the US military ha an advantage in all of these fields.

According to the provided data, Russian hypersonic weapons and Chinese cyber capabilities trigger a special concern among US analysts.

If American communications satellites and wireless networks were to be taken out, “the brain and the nervous system that connects all of these pieces is suppressed, if not shattered,” Ochmanek noted. “On our side, whenever we have an exercise, when the red force really destroys our command and control, we stop the exercise and say, ‘Let’s restart.’”

Robert Work, a former deputy secretary of defense, also adressed some problems with the F-35.

“In every case I know of, the F-35 rules the sky when it’s in the sky,” he said. “But it gets killed on the ground in large numbers.”

The analysts further claimed claimed that US forces stationed in Europe are too vulnerable to missiles, airstrikes and drone attacks.

How to solve this problem? Predictably, RAND researchers called for spending hikes.

“$24 billion a year for the next five years would be a good expenditure,” Work suggested.

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  • LR captain

    blue gets it ass handed to it sound about right. Especially since most US/Nato operations are offensive by nature and design

    • Harry Smith

      The most spicy moment that in Russian “blue” means homosexual. :)

      • cechas vodobenikov

        in Russian there r 3 words for blue—only one regards homosexuality

        • Brother Ma

          Which one means homosexuality?

          • cechas vodobenikov

            zhinny

      • You can call me Al

        Goluboi also seen spelt goluboy, is Russian slang for gay or homosexual.

        • Tudor Miron

          Yup, thats a soft “tolerant” version.

        • Harry Smith

          And just imagine the fun Russian speakers have, while they are reading about blue guys whose asses were handed. :)

    • John Wallace

      They couldn’t say they win otherwise how could they ask for MORE Money . That is all it is about , need more money..

  • Promitheas Apollonious

    the joke in the article is that when F35 is on the air rules the sky………… yes right.

    • Barba_Papa

      Is it so hard to admit that when you throw a limitless amount at money at a problem it might actually work? I hate the damn thing like everyone else, but Lockheed Martin was able to extract limitless cash from the US government and partners, so I reckon the damn thing might actually work. Is it the best value for money? Of course not, but will it work? I’m willing to look past my bias and admit that it might.

      • John Whitehot

        but in this case it does not

        • Barba_Papa

          Says who? It flies, it get used. Obviously it does work so they worked out some of its issues. The only thing we don’t know is how much they managed to fix and how much it will live up to the advertising. But I reckon its data linking capabilities alone make it not something to be easily dismissed out of hand. One of the most important lessons of warfare is that capabilities of equipment do not matter as much as how well you use it, and in what way. Older MiG-17’s and MiG-19’s were capable of taking down the most advanced US aircraft during the Vietnam war because the Americans had the wrong air to air fighting doctrine and had forgotten how to dogfight. I reckon with the right doctrine and training the F-35 can be used successfully in a war.

          And I say this as someone who still loathes the damn thing with a fiery passion.

          • Brother Ma

            Fair enough point re fighting doctrines and success yet didn’t Trump say it was a lemon as well? Did he say that to point score and give the defense industry extra money?

      • Promitheas Apollonious

        ok………. work how exactly ?

        R U qualified to understand the problems of F35 working, as you said?

        the flaws in the planes designs are not something is fixable, unless of course they re make it and become a plane that can actually fly. The holywood solutions they attempt to apply to the plane does not work in real life. You have a bias, I dont. I have knowledge in the technology the americans must overcome with, in order to make it work and do what they claim it can do.

        Nothing they can do can revive a dead donkey and is what that plane with so many countries building it in lego parts can be over come. But hey believe what you like.

        • Barba_Papa

          I don’t believe what I like, because if I did that thing wouldn’t be flying at all. I’m just willing to admit that A: I have a bias in the first place, and B: that it might work after all, which I do not find that strange considering how much money has been thrown at this problem. If bronze age humans can build massive pyramids and stone age humans can build Machu Pichu there is no limit to what space age humans can do, provided they are both determined and have unlimited funds at their disposal.

          That still doesn’t mean the plane will work as fully advertised, but enough to become a working aircraft. It’s still a flying brick, but so was the F-4 Phantom and it did quite well in its time. And it does have a nifty data linking set that I reckon does help it to become a force multiplyer of sorts. Which I reckon is why both Russia and China focus so much on interrupting US networks in the first place. Remove those networks and all you’re left with is a flying brick with limited stealth and only marginally better ground attack capabilities then the latest model of the F-16. Hardly worth the extra money if you ask me, so you can still chalk me up as a die hard F-35 hater.

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            bronze age humans have not build the pyramids but that is another argument all together. And you may believe what you like, that will not alter in any way matter of fact.

            As for why F35 is a lemon whose only purpose been build was to sucker in all nato countries as well be the excuse for ridiculous amounts of money to be spend ending in the pockets of the war industry the subject been exhaustively discussed and explained more than once.

            Your argument is that you have no idea what you talking about, but you believe if enough money are spend the solution will be found. It will be found if the plane is re designed and build from scratch again.

        • You can call me Al

          The same Countries providing the lego parts are reducing the numbers purchased or taking them off their procurement listings.

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            I know my friend just wanted to know, where the one I make the question to where he base his assumption that eventually the F35 will do what its makers claim that it can do.

            It is supposed to be a multi role aircraft that replaces everything else, but the truth is a very bad design plane that allegedly is stealth which is not and………… that only exist in the minds of the ones who try to sell it by force and blackmail to all nato countries.

          • You can call me Al

            Jack of all trades,master of none – when it flies.

  • Richard

    Is this just making a case for a bigger budget to develop and buy even fancier weapons which won’t actually do much beyond enrich their makers still further?

    • Zionism = EVIL

      Actually, RAND is all wrong, Americunts are the most lean, mean fighting machine.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/32f5ce6beba02b9a4d13b546a27ee9602e303f4c0f42737c2bfeb6227b022c8e.jpg

      • Raptar Driver

        No, she is just the last course.

        • Zionism = EVIL

          I think she is on a 10 course meal plan. Seriously, 60% of the lardasses in military are unfit for combat and they even had to redesign tank hatches. The idiot Trump has just passed the biggest over $1 TRILLION defence and police state budget, and also cutting the throwaway veterans benefits by 10% and foodstamps by 20%. US is worse than a dog’s breakfast.

          • Hisham Saber

            And don’t forget that Obama passed a bill that allocated 1.2 trillion, later upped to 1.7 trillion to modernize the U.S.’s nuclear missiles. They want more ‘ friendly’ ‘ usable, smaller nukes’ that can be used on countries like Iran etc.

            1.7 trillion could eradicate entrenched poverty gripping about 100 million Americans, pay off all student loans and save dilapidated, decaying cities like Detroit and the rest of the ‘ Rust Belt’.

            In 2017 , Detroit wanted to claim bankruptcy in Federal court, but the presiding Judge wouldn’t grant it. Detroit says their 30 billion dollars in the red, deficit.

            Meanwhile, the Zionist entity occupying Palestine got 38 billion from the Obama administration that same year.

            And that’s just one city in the red, there are now hundreds running billions In deficits. Most state now issue IOU’s to lottery winners because they simply haven’t the funds on hand.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Zionist criminals and the Bilderberg Jew corporations have literally sucked the blood out of the rednecks. US is the only country with no universal health care and life span is on the decline. Americunts also rank as the most ignorant and unhappy arseholes in a global survey of life satisfaction. It is a militarized police state run by a small JEW and WASP elite that is totally dehumanized and their only focus of self-entitlement, pushing weapons, drugs, terrorism and wars. No wonder over 60% of the Millennials and younger generations want some form of socialism.

          • John Whitehot

            “And don’t forget that Obama passed a bill that allocated 1.2 trillion, later upped to 1.7 trillion to modernize the U.S.’s nuclear missiles”

            Realize that the Minutemen III control bunkers all run on a software that is written on 8 inches floppy disks.

            When I first got into computers in the 80ies, the standard was already the 5′ 1/4 floppies (the 3′ 1/2 ones were being already produced and sold) and the 8′ was a thing of the past (it needed a drive which was large as a today desktop PC)

          • You can call me Al

            Rumour has it, that NYC is going bust -> from US MSM – https://nypost.com/2019/03/09/new-york-city-is-edging-toward-financial-disaster-experts-warn/

            Have you seen the new budget ?

            The most significant reductions affect the Environmental Protection Agency (-31%), the State Department (-23%), and the Department of Housing and Urban Development (-16%).

            ==> https://southfront.org/trumps-2020-budget-asks-for-500-million-to-counter-russian-malign-influence-raises-military-spending-again/

          • Brother Ma

            Disgusting!

      • Paul

        Lol

      • You can call me Al

      • John Wallace

        Well tell me what group of men no matter how well trained that saw a company of women like that heading their way wouldn’t run for their lives.

  • John

    It is funny, that I commented on this in the Washington post on Saturday or Sunday. The problem is, if they spent a ridiculous amount of money to begin with, in getting this point, then no amount of spending will get them a victory. Stupidity by the Rand Corp..

  • Jesus

    The US military, economic and political decline cannot be reversed, it is set on a downward trajectory that will lead to the demise of the Empire.
    The fact the US relies on dollar based economic sanctions conveys the limitation of their ability to project their power. Once the anti dollar economic powers develop means to trade or barter to mutual satisfaction and increase the trade volume, the purpose of the dollar will become a moot point

    • Hisham Saber

      China is selling off its dollar reserves in massive volumes, so is Russia. Venezuela has done the same. Countries all over the world are joining up with China’s fair, win-win OBR Silk Roads and abandoning the U.S. monetary scheme, which is essentially a Jewish racket.

  • Albert Pike

    How to solve this problem? May be with a restart of American foreign policies – which today are the imperial policies of a Zionist mafia state, a la the evil Cebrowski – Barnett doctrine, of Core and Gap and ever repeating sucking the life blood out of everybody else…

  • russ

    Trump should sanction Rand for releasing this study…

    • Hisham Saber

      Rand is a Zionist/Jewish Mossad infested corporation/think tank.

  • goingbrokes

    Centre for NEW AMERICAN Security. What is the New America? And please don’t tell me that the name doesn’t mean New America. That is exactly what it means. It is the New America where the inhabitants of the Old America have been disenfranchised and enslaved. The New America of Novus Ordo Seclorum, the empire of the all-seeing eye.

    And that is of course why America (the New one) will have its ass handed to it if it challenges China or Russia “near their borders”. The Old America would have no such ambitions to attack. All wars in the last 200 years have been bankers’ wars. It is a no-brainer that the conclusion is MORE OFFENCE SPENDING – because offence is super-expensive. Defence is much cheaper. But the Department of Defence has lost its way and become Dept of Offence. That’s what it’s all about.

    • Raptar Driver

      New America pretty much the same as the old but more colorful.

    • You can call me Al

      In that first paragraph, were you arguing against yourself ?.

      • goingbrokes

        Kinda… ;)

        • You can call me Al

          Good, true free speech.

    • John Wallace

      New America is when the elite transfer to the ghost cities in China along with the elites selected to survive from around the world . What would you say if I said those ghost cities were financed with Rothschild money. That the industrial might of America has been transferred to China for a reason .

  • Raptar Driver

    What the sound of gas releasing is……………………….burffffffffffff
    So many have been saying this for years, many former military, and good job playing catch up Rand?

  • Nosferatu

    The leadership of USA and US army know only one way of solving this issue. They need more money.

  • Jim Bim

    The cowardly US leadership and military only attacks, invades, fights wars with weak, poor and sanctioned countries.
    The US does not fight equal or stronger foes.
    The US would only attack Russia if it had a 10-1 chance.