End of Israel’s Air Superiority In Syria (Opinion)

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Written by Hadi Gholami Nohouji exclusively for SouthFront

This Saturday began with breaking news about the downing of an Israeli F-16I that was, according to the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), carrying out attacks on the Syrian T-4 military base in the central of Syria, not far away from the ancient city of Palmyra.

The Israeli jet crashed in Israel, but it became clear that the reason for its downing was the heavy attack conducted by Syrian anti-aircraft systems —in this case supposedly the now decades old S-200 (SA-5 NATO reporting name)— positioned in the Syrian soil and, probably, near the T-4.

It was like this that the air superiority of the Israeli Air Force (IAF) in the southwestern Syrian territory came to its end, opening the door to, as Hezbollah’s statement also announces, a new strategic phase in Syria, in which Damascus starts to actually live up to its threats against Israel, something that it rarely has done up until now.

Even right now there are signs that this new phase has began since in its “retaliatory attacks” the IDF has only bombed military outposts and bases near Damascus and in areas it can comfortably attack from outside Syrian soil.

This in itself shows a fear of the repetition of the F-16I incident and limits severely the Israeli’s ability to carry out attacks deep inside the Syrian territory due to the presence of even more advanced anti-aircraft systems than the soviet-built S-200 that supposedly shut down the Israeli jet.

Interestingly the military bases attacked following the downing of the F-16I are at least 70 kilometers away from the border zones between Israel and Syria which, considering the range of between 180 and 280 kilometers that the S-200 has, explains the reasons for this.

Even leaving aside the fact that the Israeli jets tend to carry out their attacks from several kilometers away from the Syrian soil, the distance of over 70 kilometers can give a roughly 30 seconds of reaction time for the pilot to release its flares and evade the missiles flying in its direction, something that, also, shows reluctance and fear on the Israeli part to fly into Syrian airspace.

All said and done, the actual situation —even taking into account the heavy response of the IAF to Syria— shows a shift in the paradigm in Syria and increases the confidence of the Damascus and allies to keep facing the Israeli aggressions.

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  • Bulgarian God

    This guy don’t know that Israel can pulverize Damascus if they want. ;)

    • Wahid Algiers

      You are a silly bulgarian gay gypsy jew.

      • Bulgarian God

        Don’t think so. Bulgarians are europeans, but arabs like you are semites like the jews, so you are similar to them. :)

        • Hrky75

          The Bulgars (also Bulghars, Bulgari, Bolgars, Bolghars, Bolgari,[1] pre-Bulgarians, Proto-Bulgarians) were Turkic semi-nomadic warrior tribes that flourished in the Pontic-Caspian steppe and the Volga region during the 7th century. – basically kissing cousins with the Khazars…

          • EoF

            lol

          • velociraptor

            Yup, bulgars were turks. Not turkeys.

            And of course they were not Khazars.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4885d7ec103d7449382eaeb573a2d2a634f9e7ba5dc5160dd64368c74437c847.png

          • Bulgarian God

            You know nothing about bulgarian history. Bulgars were iranic tribe, then mixed with thrace tribes in the Balkans and some slavs to make today’s bulgarian nation! So fuck you !

          • Hrky75

            And I thought they were demi gods chosen by The Maker that descended from heavens directly – you pathetic little knobheaded – TURK…

          • Bulgarian God

            Shut up syrian alawite monkey.

          • Hrky75
          • Bulgarian God

            trolling failed. Go back to your slave work. Hahaha.

          • antoun

            bulgarian god it,s no bulgarian it,s ukrainian banderist trool!!

          • antoun

            ukrainian banderist gay garbage!!

          • antoun

            no bulgarian it,s ukrainian monkey banderist! long life ataka !! ahah

          • antoun

            bulgar iranic tribe very funny liars scrab

          • BMWA1

            In North, part of Kazar Khanate proper. But there is also main Slav population predating arrival of Volga Bulgars in present Bulgaria. The better half as it were.

          • 888mladen .

            Simply Tatars.

        • antoun

          bulgarian are pro russ and you isn,t bulgarian but ukrainian banderist trool!!

          • Bulgarian God

            bulgarians are never pro-russ (communists) so don’t eat shits.

          • velociraptor

            Hahaha, therefore the leader of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria, Todor Zhivkov suggested in the early 1960s, that the country should become a Soviet socialist republic of the USSR. The offer was rejected.

          • Bulgarian God

            Todor Zhivkov was a traitor and pro-soviet dog. Bulgarians are anticommunists and against USSR.

          • velociraptor

            Sure. Therefore learn russian language so mach bulgarians.

          • antoun

            ahah very false the president of bulgarian is pro russe!!

          • antoun

            its the only and you live it,s usa the traitor ahaha

          • antoun

            shut up banderist false bulgarian

        • velociraptor

          Bulgarians are thiefs. This is what say Brussel again and again. No Schengen for you, no more integration. This is decided already.

          • Bulgarian God

            Shut up communist shit. Bulgaria is great country, you are NOTHING. Hahahha!

          • velociraptor

            Pirin is nice. But the people …

      • Bulgarian God

        Shut up algerian degenerate. Be a refugee like Zidane and Benzema !

        • Wahid Algiers

          What you want jewish gypsy? I am a German power nationalist against Israel and on the side of all Arabs who want to be real Arabs you fucken zionist.

          • Bulgarian God

            No, you are algerian gypsi! So get the fuck off…

    • Bru

      Shalom, Aron, does the sun shine in Tel Aviv?
      BTW thank you for confirming that you dream of pulverizing all humanity which does not serve you.

      • Bulgarian God

        I say that Israel has nuclear weapons, Assad doesn’t… So he must be aware. And this guy is just delusional. How can Israel loose their air superiority, when Assad A Forces are with soviet era aircrafts from the 60tees…

        • Barba_Papa

          You can’t just lob nuclear weapons around in a temper tantrum. Especially when you deny to the whole world that you even have them. That would put your few friends who hide behind that denial in a very tough spot.

          Also the S-200 is not from the 60’s and apparently it CAN hit Israeli jets. That alone puts an end to air superiority, because if your aircraft run the risk of getting shot down you no longer have air superiority. That’s the whole point of having air superiority, the fact that you control enemy air space with impunity.

          But apparently those facts were not taught at God school. Just how to make ignorant posts. Which places you not at godhood levels but at that of the lowly troll. Bulgarian Troll, yeah, that sounds better.

          • Mustaffa Ashaa

            The Bulgarian God is being “honest” and speaks of what he brought up to believe.
            He is religious Zionist. Brought up on the idea that only Jews are worthy of living.
            I am quoting a well know Zionist, The Chabad-Lubavitcher Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson:
            “A non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic
            spheres, While the Jewish sole stems from holiness”

          • Barba_Papa

            I reckon he’s just an ordinary garden variety troll. And not a very funny one like Solomon.

          • Bulgarian God

            Blah, blah, blah…shut up communist monkey !

          • Barba_Papa

            Wow, ad hominim attack instead of actually addressing an argument. Your l33t debating skills are fearless, Bulgarian Troll.

          • antoun

            shut up ukrainian nazi pro daesh!

          • You can use nukes as a last resort if overwhelmed by murderous Islamic salvages.

            God is with Israel, as a Christian I support them. The Palestinians should go back to Arabia where they came from.

          • 911psyops

            You should read the talmud and see for yourself what the jews think of your jesus. Better yet go to israel and try handing out bibles. You ignorant goy, yeah that’s your name in the talmud “goy” it means cattle. So be a good cattle and read a bit about jesus in the talmud. Just google it “jesus in the talmud” oh great christian supporter of israel ROFL

          • Jesus was born Jewish, I don’t need to read the Talmud, The Koran is far worse, an evil book!

          • 888mladen .

            The sad truth is you are not the one I mean Christian.

          • The sad truth is you are a Muslim, a religion of hate!

          • Barba_Papa

            Aren’t you the forgiving and caring Christian? Whatever happened with sympathy for the downtrodden and the weak? No, lets root for a nuclear armed power who makes America its bitch. Israel says, jump, America only asks how high.

            Also, a little history lesson, the Palestinians are the descendants of those that remained in Palestine after two failed Jewish revolts against the Romans. They then got conquered by the Arabs, and were slowly assimilated into Arab culture. Becoming a Muslim under Arab rule tends to do that. Nevertheless they have more claim to the land as they were the ones that stayed, whereas the current day Jews scattered all over the planet. The Palestinians can’t go back to Arabia, because they are not from Arabia. Unlike many Jews who are not even from Middle Eastern descent.

            Also, God is not a real estate broker. He has no legal claim in court. At least not one no sane person would ever dare enter. He’s welcome to show up though and make his case, but I reckon the chances of that happening are less then everybody winning the lottery. That is why your belief is a belief, not fact. And therefore not a legal claim.

          • I might agree with some of your comments…same way Jews deserve a home land and live in Israel same logic applies to the Americans, Turks, Australians, Canadians. All this countries mentioned conquered land that were not theirs, settled and prospered. Jews were kicked off, killed in the middleast and Northern Africa by Muslims, killed and hunted in Europe, they came back to Israel, founded a state with the Arab Palestinians given a huge chunks of land but then that wasn’t enough for the Arabs now was it? they started a pogrom, killing innocent Jewish families till the Jews stood up to the bullies.

            The Palestinians got a good beating before all Arab Muslim countries all banded together to wipe Israel off the map…we all know what happened after they have tried
            Islam is far from a religion of peace, Mohammed spread Islam by the edge of the sword.

          • Wahid Algiers

            You damned Jesus-piss-drunkard. When will you realize that your religion is jeisher than the jewish? Nail yourself on a cross and wait for your god to fly into space. Idiot.

        • Steve Bell

          “How can Israel lose its air superiority…”? Easy, by having its technologically superior warplanes shot down, which just happened (whether it was downed by an S-200 or not doesn’t matter as much as it did happen). Do all “Bulgarian Gods” have a single digit IQ like you?

          • Bulgarian God

            It’s not true. Israel have far superior aircrafts than Syria air forces. Syria can’t match Israel in the air.

          • Casemiro

            Who cares, since we have the proof that Israeli jets cannot match decade old Anti aircraft Syrian systems…. Whats the point to have modern aircraft if they are obliged to stay at the base or shut down?

          • Bulgarian God

            Hahaha 1 aircraft downed and you say “they can’t match old syrian AA systems” – hahaha, but Israel hits and destroy 12+ targets in Syria last days, and only 1 jet was downed, so Syria AA are weak as shits! Hahahahah!

          • Casemiro

            You say so, Salomon. And Bibi too, but we have no proof of that.
            They only thing we know for sure, is that a F16 was shot INTO Israeli air space.
            They are not even mastering their own airspace anymore.
            Cannot wait to see the S300 and the Buks in action.

          • Bulgarian God

            Israel hits 12 targets in Syria, see the news stupid fagot. Even the Assad regime recognized that! Hahahaha…

          • Casemiro

            If they gonna lose one F16 for every day of strike, they gonna stop very quickly, fake Bulgarian.

          • Israelis learn and they have the beat airforce in the world, on par with the USA or Russian air force. This is just a minor setback, Assad would be dumb if he thinks this is a game changer!

          • Wahid Algiers

            Israel is weak. The IDF-soldiers want to live and not to die. The times are over of an Israel that beats all. They lost the Lebanon war in 2006 against Hezbollah and had many casualties during the last Gaza mission against Hamas. Most of the people there want no war anymore. A little bell is ringing and the all run for bunkers and when they come out they need a couch doctor. So keep your head in your ass and wait for a fart to get a clear brain.

        • Bob

          Rather easily because if you bothered to notice – the Russian military in Syria have advanced radar network coverage and electronic jamming capacity – and it is entirely up to Russians to decide if and how to give early warning information and electronic blocking assistance to Syrian military air defense. There was an underlying broader reason and message sent – for this to have occurred now.

          • Bulgarian God

            Russians are weak as shits. A few days ago americans bombarded Deir-Ez-Zor and killed 100+russians and assad militants.

          • Only sane commenter here is you Bulgarian…all are commies and Muslim terrorists who are in bed together with evil Assad!

          • 888mladen .

            You are birds of feather. Your endorsement speaks volumes about you.

          • Go fuck yourself Pratt!

          • Wahid Algiers

            Fuck off you world terrorist supporter and backyard gay jew.

        • Casemiro

          How stupid can you be to believe they gonna bomb on their footsteps?

          • javier

            this one is incredibly stupid

          • Bulgarian God

            You are shit and weakling as your favourite player Casemiro…hahahaha!

          • Casemiro

            Its my real second name, dumbass.

          • Bulgarian God

            How many stupid Casemiros we have on the planet…hahahaha!

          • Casemiro

            Lol.
            If you were a true Bulgarian, you would know that Bulgaria is the country where you find the most “Krasimir” in the world….

        • If Israel wants Damascus destroyed it would, a cruise missile would do the try with a dirty bomb… The Russians of course would have left before shit hits the fan!

          • Wahid Algiers

            If Hezbollah wants to destroy Tel Aviv it would. A rain of some good rockets and the beach party is over. And now shut up you gay israelite.

      • Mustaffa Ashaa

        Pulverising all humanity is the Biblical duty of each Zionist Jew. They were taught that to every male Jew when he is confirmed:
        “For in the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes”
        (Deuteronomy 20:16)

        • Shut up dumb Muslim!

          • 911psyops

            Shut up kike

          • Shut up little bitch!

          • Wahid Algiers

            Dirty jew friend.

          • Filthy Muslim idioten! Born on a pigsty!

    • Hrky75

      I had an interesting talk with USMC colonel working at psi-ops in 2003, just before he got posted from Bosnia to Iraq. We were talking about the whole ME mess and he admitted openly that US soldiers were risking their lives for Zio interests and not for the security of their country. And when the issue of Israel being able to nuke all the Arabs came up he said something very interesting – he said that before Israel ever launched one nuke that US would nuke Israel first…I thought about that conversation a lot in these past 15 years and although it sounded insane at first I found simple logic of it. The whole mess is about US controlling the worlds oil and nuking all the places that produce the oil would kinda make no sense what so ever. Plus the tail can wag the dog some time – but not all the time…

      • 888mladen .

        Modern Jewish state will be destroyed by modern Rome (US) just like the old one was by the old Rome in AD 70. Old Jewish state signed a treaty with Imperial Rome only to be destroyed later on by their allay. History repeats.

    • Mustaffa Ashaa

      The topography of the area, the size and shape of Israel, its population density and the closeness of Damascus to Israel, all these makes Israel suffers large part of the consequences. If Damascus was taken as “Ground Zero”, Israel will receive 30 to 40% of fallout, 15% of primary shock wave-front and about 40% of reflected secondary shock waves “resonance”. That what happens in time 0+ 10 min. In time 0+2 hr. all Israeli water resources will be unfit for human consumption including those originated in Lebanon or Golan heights.Israel cannot absorb the percentage of Casualties-to-population ratio. So Israel is committing suicide by its own weapon and Adolf dream of Jew-free world becomes closer to reality. So don’t try to scare anyone. Israel Nuclear option is its Cyanide pill. Arab countries can recover but Israel never can.
      The above numbers is based on topographic model of the area assuming that Israel can deliver a fission warhead by Subs or by air,of warhead of 10xHiroshima yield and minimum explosion height of 250 m. (Israel has about 200)

  • alejoeisabel

    The US/Israeli/Al Qaeda war imposed on Syria has had the effect of fortifying Syria, and its ability to defend itself from Israeli usual aggressions. Soon, Syria will reconquer the Israeli occupied Syrian Golan Heights.

    • Bulgarian God

      Don’t be silly. Al Qaeda personell are all KGB-FSB agents and they commit terrorist attack in USA, not in Russia !

      • Ryan Duckwitz

        Al Qaeda is majority Saudi Arabian, get off the drugs

        • Bulgarian God

          You are on drugs! Al Qaeda is soviet/russian/communist project against USA. Their personell are all KGB/FSB russian agents !

          • antoun

            shut up liars ukrainian banderist!

      • Barba_Papa

        An attack which served the interests of the US so much, much, much better then those of Russia that it has launched a million conspiracy theories to how it was a CIA operation.

        Because of 9-11 the US now has a military presence in Afghanistan and Central Asian republics. Basically Russia’s home turf. Yeah, if Al Qaeda were a Russian operation then they got a piss poor return on their investment. And that’s excluding the fact that the CIA funneled money and weapons to Al Qaeda when they were still fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80’s.

        • Bulgarian God

          Al Qaeda is russian/soviet project! KGB agents involved in 9/11 attacks in New York – russians applauded these attacks also! So get the fuck off communist monkey ! We finished you in 1991! Muahahaha!

          • antoun

            liars banderist!!!!

          • Barba_Papa

            So they are a Russian project? Despite having been grown and backed in the 80’s with CIA money? So tell me, masterful genius, what did the Russians get out of their ‘Al Qaeda project? What masterful returns and benefits have the Russians netted? Because, as I said, last time I checked, the Americans are now militarily active and have bases in Russia’s back yard because of Al Qaeda. Doesn’t seem to be much of a benefit.

            And I didn’t know that Bulgaria won the Cold War. I reckon they did so by being a huge ass drain on the USSR. Just like they are now on the EU.

      • antoun

        trool ukrainian ukro svoboda banderist!!

        • Bulgarian God

          fuck you donbass nazi russian !

          • antoun

            vlassof guy!!

      • Steve Bell

        9-11 and the magic jet fuel that pulverises concrete? Yeah, sure… Bulgarian Dog

        • Bulgarian God

          Russian KGB agents are involved in 9/11/2001 so get the fuck off !

          • Arditya Arsyad

            calm down kid, remember what grandma said; you need to drink xanax pill first before playing on the net

          • Bulgarian God

            You must drink validole, so eat shits. Hahaha.

          • antoun

            gay ukranian banderist

          • antoun

            bulgarion god it,s the ukrainian banderist!!

        • gustavo

          Violating all the all of Physics (Thermodynamics, Mechanics). Of course, there were a well done demolition (made by experts).

      • Bob

        Is this the level of your trolling antics?

        • Bulgarian God

          Are you traitor as you are american ?

          • You can call me Al

            Are you a fucking Imbecile or what, every single comment you write is just pathetic manure, childish, stupid and wrong. Sod off troll, get back home to CNN.

            This will be the last time I respond, so you will lose a few bob there.

          • Bulgarian God

            Get the fuck off traitor of USA…Hahaha!

          • Mustaffa Ashaa

            I think the discussion here is beyond the analytical ability of your limited number of your brain cells.
            Be a good boy … Go and play somewhere else …..

          • antoun

            bulgarion god it,s ukrainian banderist!!

          • zman

            I would likely respond to BG, but I have blocked him. I can read just so much idiocy before having to barf. I value my keyboard too much for that.

          • You can call me Al

            Yes, I must admit that I feel better now that I blocked the SOB. He is very active today, just ruining good conversations, threads…..

            Have a good one

          • Bob

            It is classic, if moronic, disruptive trolling. Deliberate intent is to hi-jack any constructive debate, and ideas mix, into negative reactions and off-topic personal territory. Premise is disrupt and contaminate the forum.

          • You can call me Al

            There seem to be more and more of them coming here.

          • antoun

            it,s sure youre ukrainian banderist!!

      • Tudor Miron

        I have to say that troll quality has dropped drastically. This creature is below even that extremely low level that Solomon was setting :)

        • Bulgarian God

          You prove that you are imbecile creature!

          • antoun

            you imbecile creature nazi

        • zman

          Tudor, you have to admit that Solomon did have a comedic value(but I still blocked him). Yes, the trolls have lately been very poorly trained. Lousy arguments, zero logic, continuous name calling…all true signs of falling standards.

          • Eskandar Black

            minimum federal wage government employee.

      • antoun

        theory from daesh mdr!!!

      • Nosferatu
      • Astronut

        and then you awoke face down in your potty bimbo…

    • Eskandar Black

      This is not going to happen. Best Syria can do is defend herself into peace. If a day comes when Syria is strong enough to defeat israel, lets hope she is wise enough not to try.

  • Hrky75

    Unfortunately IAF didn’t lose it’s air superiority. It just got a bloody nose and as any rabid dog licks its wounds trying to find a better way to attack. Now if in some mysterious ways an “NGO” from Lebanon got it’s hands on some BUKs or Pansir S1 and closed Lebanese air space for Israeli jets, than I’d say Israel would lose it’s air superiority…

    • Bernardo Morais

      The correct will be that they lose the air immunity.

      • Hrky75

        Spot on friend…

    • alejandro casalegno

      Hrky75. Israel have until yesterday, not the “Superiority”, the absolute “Supremacy” in the sky of Syria………a “cost free” air campaign, now it´s over, the infantry, the SF, the tanks, all can be defeated by Hezbollah even with air dominance……think about a Sayeret in Lebanon uncertain about air support……..”The most perdurable sesation in the human soul is the fear….and the greatest fear is for the unknown”, Nietzsche

    • Eskandar Black

      Nonsense, israel would not tolerate that, they would hit them with artillery over and over. In theory a single S400 battery will remove any ability of israelis to operate aircraft from israel if placed on the southern border of Syria or Israel. The only place you will be able to fly to is eilat. Action that you suggest would simply result in an israeli attack.

      • Hrky75

        So you suggest that everyone just surrenders at the mercy of Bibi and his butchers. BUKs ans Pansirs are highly mobile and would be very hard to destroy with artillery strikes from Israel – especially if integrated in Syria/Russia AD network. And would provide perfect deniability in case Russia decides to punish further provocations. In order for artillery to destroy then,they would have to be fixed 50 km from Israeli border, have their radars on and wait to be taken down. But even the threat of those systems in Hezbollah hands, without shooting once, would be enough for IAF to stop using Lebanese air space as a highway to Damascus.

        • Eskandar Black

          Absolutely not. I suggest that LEBANON acquire S400 system, not hezbollah. Even an S200ve system would obviously be sufficient. but the question remains, what would it do? Do you want a war with lebanon and Israel? Hebollah doesn’t want it, and neither does israel, so they do this game to justify the imminent war, but rockets are expensive.

          • Hrky75

            Lebanese politics is highly unstable – the fact that Christians and Shiia are political allies is unprecedented – so I don’t see any serious country selling them SAM systems. Besides, owning shit doesn’t help if you don’t have political will to use it. And as I said, the mere fact that a force as determined as Hezbollah possessed a capable and mobile AD system would be deterrent enough for IAF with an added bonus of plausible deniability for it’s allies…

          • Joe

            Basically after years of impunity by Israel Syrians and friends are fed up. Russian System with S400 are for their own defence only.

            So like , my guess only, Iran has supplied massively SAM systems .
            Thus explains how SAA could fire reportedly 40 Missiles at the jets and ensure no escape.

            This also explains Israel claim of Iranian missiles factory in Syria and Lebanon. Now they can fire at will guided missiles and not depend on Russian S400 that never seem to do anything more for show only.

          • Hrky75

            Iran doesn’t have massive amounts of modern SAM system – to my knowledge. Most numerous AD systems in Iran are still Hawks and S-200s – allegedly locally upgraded. They do show a lot of indigenous designed or reverse engineered equipment on their parades, but whether it’s a publicity stunt or serial production hardware is anybodies guess…
            Iran is probably setting up some kind of SS missiles production in Syria that will make it easier for SAA and Hezbollah to refill their stocks.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Iran has a lot of scientists and technical expertise so them producing their own is highly likely since they also disguise their scientists as women now. Iran has the highest amount of women in the Sciences in the world, twice that of the US easily.

            They even made a movie about another Persian born of parents from Iran of Zoroastrian religion, so they are a highly intelligent nation.

          • gustavo

            Exactly, does anybody remember the high precision missile sent by Iran to terrorists in Syria responsible of Iran bombing attack by them ? This has put Israel-USA really nervous, they never though that Iran could have these type of weapons.

          • Archie Caldwell

            To ur knoweldge????? jeez

          • Hrky75

            ..is there a point your’re trying to make – or you’re just being dumb…

          • 888mladen .

            Iran has upgraded their dated S200 few years ago amids Zionist entity’s threats of bombing their NU facilities because they couldn’t get S300 from RU which they had paid for. They know how to do it. Even when RU generals visited IR they expressed their amazement at improvements of the system. However Wikipedia states that RU has done it.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Lebanon is becoming more assertive in defense of it’s air space and are filing complaints at the UN, looks they are growing more confident with their army’s ability.

          • Eskandar Black

            I just dont think you would be able to maintain such a system without israel destroying it. You would become north korea, defending a weapon system, for the sake of having it.

          • Hrky75

            That I agree with. And I suppose that’s the reason why Lebanese governments never bothered to invest in proper AD and air force. That’s also the reason I said Hezbollah should have some of it – they already keep a large secret stash of who-knows-what and few SAMs would make no difference. If Lebanon signed some kind of mutual defense agreement and integrated it’s AD with Syrian (thoroughly modernized) that they would stand a chance. They either stand together are fall independently…

          • Joe

            Will never happen

          • Eskandar Black

            True

          • 888mladen .

            S400 is inefficient below the horizon. That’s why they need protection from low fly attacks which has been provided by Panzir S recently in Hmeim airbase against terrorists’ drone attack. Panzir S would be far better bet because of its price and applicability to their war theater due to its excellent mobility and short reaction time.

          • Eskandar Black

            neither one of them really needs it, i just meant its a system for a state, not an armed group

          • 888mladen .

            I’m sure they are of a different opinion. They are not amused by constant violations of their air space by Zionist entity for purpose of attacking their embattled neighbor.

  • John Mason

    Israel have lost their air superiority, that F16 was downed in Israeli territory, returning to base which means that Syria has capabilities in tracking in Israel territory. That would be a major concern to the Jews.

  • Davki

    Well, yes, that’s what we’ve been hearing on al-Mayadeen, Al-Ikhbariya etc. all the time. There certainly is Israeli air-superiority, as everyone admits, but it would seem to be a limited one. So far, absolute air superiority was a crucial factor in Israel winning wars. So that one would be denied. Also, waves of missile attacks from Hezbollah and Southern Palestine would make things difficult for Israel. Although nominally stronger, a full-blown war might cost Israel more than it can take.

    • You can call me Al

      Yes I agree especially if both the Palestinians and Hezbollah (maybe the Lebanese army as well) teamed up. It may be even better if after this US led war, Syria manned up again, exchanged oil for supplies and sent in a few missiles onto the airbases, retook the Golan heights and switched their new S-400 units on.

      Blimey, whilst I am on the subject, add Iran and Egypt + a few others…….I wonder if the Saudis would switch sides again, bringing in all of their supporting vermin ?……..

      OK The Whole World !!.

    • Archie Caldwell

      Israel is a failed state and is fininised

  • Mustaffa Ashaa

    [A Russian Air Monitor declared today that:
    1. No Iranian Drone has violated the Israeli air space but some drones were engaged with terrorist inside Syria some 200 km away from Israeli Border
    2. Four Israeli F-16 violated Syrian air space, one downed, one hit and regarded not air worthy one slightly damaged and only one returned intact.]

    Greeting … Respect …. and Thanks to the brave men of SAA
    That was a breath of fresh air and a long due awaited news. Mr Natanyahoo, You know where to stuff your air superiority

    • velociraptor

      Russian Air Monitor lies.

      • as

        They can show the data.
        Then Israel have to edit theirs first before submitting them.
        Their words against Israel (and US master slave) yes but then they’ll need to further submit the downed aircraft’s data to confirm their own version of story thus more editing.
        Then again they already admitted it’s deed by bombing Syrian ADF sites.
        My advice to Israel though they have to avoid hitting T4 area or any other areas that have Russian Forces in it since they defend themselves regardless who’s doing the airstrikes. Holocaust victimhood means nothing to them especially if someone went full of ill intentions towards them.

        • Real Anti-Racist Action

          That and the Holohoax is a Hoax and they are afraid of a modern court looking at the hard facts. Check out the book written by a Jew titled “And Eye for An Eye”
          https://holodomorinfo.com/

          • Shylo Duffy

            Shouldn’t that read 10 eyes for a eye regarding Israel?

      • Eskandar Black

        I don’t think he is lying, but he is wrong on the facts. An F15 was damaged, and F16I was shot down. I wonder what happened to the second pilot. The reason Israelis got in trouble is that they tried to hit a target in palmyra, which required them to bring their jets over the Golan, very close to various batteries that unloaded many missiles which caught up with the jets. While this is great for propaganda purposes, nothing has significantly changed and it would be a mistake to underestimate Israel. I predict a large israeli strike in a little while to rehab the image. By the way, in this regions, stories multiply and change like the game of telephone, by the time you hear this story in 2019 it will be that SAA destroyed the Israeli air force using AKs and Assad spit for ammunition.

        • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

          Far worse than you think an Apache helicopter was downed in Syrian airspace and so was the F-16I the F-15 crashed avoiding a missile strike in Lebanon in the Bekaa region , there were 2 F-16I and 2 F-15 they lost one of each. The S-200M is what Russia has been upgrading them to and apparently the Russians were upgrading the S200 at T4 as reported by FSA commander in the area nearby. That is how the Israel pilots thought they were invincible and now they paid the price about 80% or missile intercept rate is not so bad.

          Israel is fast becoming a little whiny of late and is shoahing it’s support for terrorists in Syria even you cheer lead for them as usual. The attack if it does occur will likely see more Israel Zionist Organization craft downed.

          • Archie Caldwell

            Israel is exposed: the King has n clothes on

        • Archie Caldwell

          sounds plausable

      • Joe

        Your grandfather told you that?

        Why Bibi had to go into emergency meeting?
        Fact no more immune to Syrian AD with Missiles system supplied most likely bt Iran not Russia as Russia will not hurt Israel… Buddies

        • 911psyops

          Bibi is pissing in his pants right now. They probably already went to big bully brother begging and crying

          • Archie Caldwell

            Bibi is finished he’s going to jail And peace will reighn

        • dont reply to velociraptor , he just a resident hasbara astroturfer whose task is to spread lies and disinfo on southfront , and to detract the discussion topic.

        • Archie Caldwell

          Russia will disable Israel with some firecrackers

      • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

        This was monitored by NATO and civilian monitors also, so yes the Russians Air Monitor is correct even flight paths of the jets were calculated after they turned of their transponders. So you just sound like a troll calling it lies are you here for disinformation or are you willing to dispute them with facts and evidence then.

    • Jonathan Cohen

      ABORTION RIGHTS IN DAMASCUS AS IN ISRAEL!

      • irish crusader

        babykillers

  • hvaiallverden

    Yeah, ISISrael air forces uh…. superiority is an hype, the sole reason, is the other terror state uISISas guarding of the shit hole ISISrael, thats what makes ISISrael cocky, otherwise, they would have had much more problems, the wars conducted where the Joojos brags about their “fantastic” air force, was due to the equal credible and truth as when uISISa attacked Granada.
    Everybody knew, if anyone, did anything against the terror rats from ISISrael when their “eminent” air force attacked stone age Russian plains, was that the Trumpsteins wankees, was making the other countrys whom was attacked by the Piss loving Joojos, that they would have to fight the Wankees.
    Thats the truth.
    Etc.
    The next is our MSM, in Norway the head line was Iran is attacking ISISrael, yeah, nothing less, and even the facts are an joke, and I have managed to watch, the MSMs and I am never the less “impressed” by ISISrael whores yapping in the MSM, shameless lies, Iran, huh Joojo scums, witch is fighting with the SAA, against ISISraeli friends aka ISIS, and on top of it, Hezb is fighting them to, and now, the raving scums in Tel-aviv is drooling something about them all, well of course, when ISISrael and the uISISa, is the maker and feeder of this groups to take over Syrian land.
    No wounder they are freaking out when their friends the ISIS is loosing, yeah, and of course, the enemy of the Joojos are anyone whom is fighting against ISIS/Al-quead if you still believe this shit.

    But, what comes next, I wounder, and the ISISrael scums is again stepping into their own pudding, wading around throwing nonsense in every direction.
    And the equally rotten MSM.
    Weird isnt it, they all hail ISISrael, but not for fighting the happy and so called moderate head choppers, aka ISIS, friends of Turks, the Eu and ISISrael, yeah, but for fighting Assad, whom is gassing His own people.

    peace

    • You must be one retarded sonofabitch, your comment is so difficult to read…try proof reading before you submit you dumb Muslim terrorist!

      • 911psyops

        Why don’t you go read your talmud on how to rape 3 years old babies you kike

        • We all know Muslims are the paedophiles, even its unholy prophet Mohammed was a great paedophile who raped Aisha when she was 6 years old! Go figure

          • 888mladen .

            Surely you must have been a victim of one. Poor boy.

          • Lolsss…you must be on some crack, If I was a Muslims, there is a high percentage I would have, but as a Christian, hello no. Now go fuck yourself Muslim boy!

    • 888mladen .

      Nice piece of poetry though not for semi-literate. The proof is just below.

  • sloopyjoe

    I love the smell of burning Yarmulkes in the morning ;)

  • javier

    jews tried to impress uncle sam during big war games event in israel, that tuned out well

  • Serious

    Of course defend yourself. israel is weak. Even Hezbollah with less weapons manage to kick them out. The problem in Syria are the kurds and the sunnis and Pussin. They collaborate with the ennemis.

  • Wahid Algiers

    @ Bulgarian Jew God: What you want jewish gypsy? I am a German power nationalist against
    Israel and on the side of all Arabs who want to be real Arabs you fucken
    zionist.

    • Idioten, you are just a sad Arab Muslim who fled your home country to come live in a modern civilized Christian country, go back to your desert and go hump your sheeps, they all miss you!

      • Wahid Algiers

        Halt Dein Maul DU Penner.

  • velociraptor

    “End of Israel’s Air Superiority In Syria”

    This though also in Yugoslavia, when acccidentally shot down one F-117. The end of story is well known.

    • Casemiro

      Except that this wasn’t an accident, and the F16 was shot into Israeli air space.
      Could it take more than a bird to knock out a F35?

      • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

        The F-16 entered Syrian air space and crashed in Syrian territory occupied by Israel so still in Syrian air space. The F-35 was downed by a missile and not a bird ,best a bird can do is ruin the EW in the cone.

        • 888mladen .

          A fighter jet can be seriously damaged by collision with a bird. The indicator that this might not be the case with F-35 is a fanny coincidence.

      • antoun

        no repond velociraptor trool zionist

        • Casemiro

          hay es yerpayr?

      • velociraptor

        This was , i have the book of yugoslavian leutenant, who exactly described the sirtuation. Btw., he obeyed order, therefore was able to shoot down. As hero, he did not went to military court, but was removed from that post, put in office and later released from army.
        This is the grey reality.

        Each plane is knocked outif birg flies in engine. Google is your friend, you find lot of tragedies.

        I

  • alejandro casalegno

    Israel did have the air “Supremacy” in Syria, the absolute dominance…………now have the “Superiority”, the IAF can attack again and destroy some targets, but NOT cost free anymore……….

    The big question………the IAF is ready to see more aircraft lost in syria???……the responce is NO!!!!

    • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

      They always shot from the other side of the border and had no air supremacy or superiority in Syria, get your facts straight. You can’t be dominant if your not even flying in the country just logic and fact states otherwise, being at standoff range means nothing.

      • alejandro casalegno

        Terra cota. The 2007 Nuclear Plant in Deir Ezzor was a direct attack, the Lattakia 2013 too, and “standoff attack means nothing”???……….the dozens of russian “Kalibr” missiles attacks are nothing???

        I am pro-resistance, but the reality can be ignorated.

        • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

          Well the attack in DE came from Iraq and not Israel not even sure if it was an Israeli Jet, Lattakia was attacked from Lebanese air space. “Stand Off Attack” means they shoot from neutral space.The Kalibr attacks are directed at Terrorist strongholds not really anything to do with the above comment as they are invited, US have a deal with Russia but still uninvited.

  • Hornet24

    by the videos it was be much older S-125

    • John Whitehot

      can you provide new links to videos? I’d like to see those Thx.

      • Bob

        There is phone-video of smouldering SAM booster-tail crashed in Bekka Valley in Lebanon but forgot site where saw it, but likely both 125 and 200 launched as multiple IAF targets.

        https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/video-moment-israeli-f-16-jet-downed-crashed-israel/

        • John Whitehot

          thanks.

          The images dated 10 feb. are interesting. I’m not sure the missile wreck there is that of a s-200.

          It may be, but some particulars don’t add up especially the shape and dimensions of the elevons.

          My suspect is that as usual, the public has been fed a large amount of lies, the only sure thing is the F-16 being downed.

      • Hornet24

        Sorry for delay…. It is not clearly visible at one sequence, but due to weather, coulours and quality I think it is from single action…

        https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran/status/962448661295837184

        • John Whitehot

          thank you very much.

          I don’t see S-200s in the vid, only S-125 Neva (which it appears to be the missile hitting an aerial target) and a 9K35 Strela-10.

          Nice find in any case.

          • Hornet24

            Yes … Thats because I was wrote (at very begining of this discussion root) that was been much older S-125 (and not in text mentioned S-200)

            Yea, at the end is Strela-10 but who knows if it hit or missed :)

            But S-200 was been maybe involved is Israeli AF suppression too – I have no (prooved) info about it

  • John Whitehot

    Israel never had any “air superiority” in Syria as its planes only operated outside Syrian airspace since at least a year. Having to launch attacks from Lebanese airspace is in itself an open admission to not having any kind of air superiority, but rather the contrary.

  • Real Anti-Racist Action

    Stand up oh ye Syria to the big bully Israel! The world stands with you!
    Receive with open arms Iran’s most advanced anti-air missiles and radars now.
    “Ask and it shall be given”
    Ask Russia for the S-400 system today! As Russia announced today that the S-400 system is available to all nations who wish to buy it now, even America can buy it.
    Ask for help of Syria, ask for Christians militias to join in a larger role in liberating Western Syria from it’s evil atheist Israeli occupiers! And it shall be done.
    https://www.rt.com/news/418448-russia-may-sell-s400-us-chemezov/

  • gustavo

    Not yet, but it is near. All depend on how strong Russia want to support Syria airspace.

  • XRGRSF

    I imagine the Russians had a heart attack over this, and then firmly instructed the Syrians to forget about ever defending against Israel again, and to content themselves with playing chess. Iran, on the other hand, may have had an entirely different reaction. Time will tell.

    • Brad Isherwood

      Iran could be networking with Syrian Air defence.
      Iran has several Mobile SAM systems which they have built which are based off Russian BUK M2E and other.
      The tracking radars ,vector response plots,strategy would be of interest to Iran as Israel/Netanyahu threat to attack Iran is very real.
      Syria becomes testing ground and tactical planning.
      Israel has enjoyed hit and run for years…
      That all changed this past weekend

      Syria can contact to Iran in the future for BUK M2E missiles and maybe Iranian home built version of S 300.
      Israel going to worry,worry : )

      • XRGRSF

        Brad, I always enjoy your positive attitude, and educated responses. Hopefully you’re right, and the Israeli pucker factor is now set on max.

      • 888mladen .

        Did you get my book?

        • Brad Isherwood

          Yes…
          Information on the Jesuits is usefull just as quality source on say Freemasonry.
          Recently discovered information about Pharaoh Snefru and Khufu who had what’s known as the Cattle Count….records of these survived.
          Basically. ..it’s a Administration, asset,tax record.
          What’s interesting is was run by a Group called the Shemsu Hor.
          These guys are the Winged Disc Cult which is most surely ancient Secret Society.
          That They** are the ones running the States wealth and other asset programs suggests to me the later Ages Freemasonic Lodge is something of a legacy from then.
          The Shemsu Hor may also be like what’s termed Deep State…the Ones who put the
          Pharaoh into power.
          After Khufu (Pepi II)… the state economic system crashed .
          Mesopotamia Kingdoms often experienced similar time runs with economic crash and war.

          • 888mladen .
          • Brad Isherwood

            The Articles data base is excellent,
            Great resource and director to send net viewers.

            Google is decimating History from the net,YouTube etc.
            Sheeple do not care….
            Tavistock – mental enslavement of the masses

            Few realize what is going on.

          • 888mladen .
          • Brad Isherwood

            Used to download Eric Jon Phelps audio programs….back when I was following things primarily via Greg Szymanski Arctic Beacon

            The Knights of Malta, OSS /CIA were big players in how the late WW 2 and post WW 2
            Military Industrial Complex evolved.
            I’d wager since Putin did nothing while NATO waltzed right up to Russia’s Borders,
            That the Vatican/Jesuits /CIA/Knights of Malta were ground floor in planning and financial networking. ..especially Eastern Europe.
            Rothschilds and Old British Masonic would not really have operations reach in these Catholic and anti Russia countries.
            For now….Putin is in to deep with the Chabad Lubavitch and Oligarchy which placed him in power…for Him to doom himself by turning on Empire Masonic/Vatican.
            The Future however could produce a Russian leader and leadership opposed to the
            Jewish feet in the halls of power.
            That leader …if he/they did push the Jews out…would be Nationalist…Orthodox,
            The Military would be dialed up to 9…
            The Global Talmudic /Neocons would go into reactor meltdown. ..
            This is when the Vaticans timing would be Zenith for a war with Russia.
            IMO…
            For now…it appears Syria will be mangled until subject to the BIS Central Banking System,
            With Iran next on the list.
            China OBOR would likely face Terrorism which would give the MIC more game and possibly stir things up big between India and Pakistan.
            It really depends on what Tempo level the Vatican block wants things to go.
            You would image attack Russia soon vs later…when their new weapons are greater numeric.
            You might have war in the Ukraine. …Nukes will not be used,
            War on this level is OK with the Masonic side.

      • 888mladen .

        BUK M2E nick named by US NATO pilots “the prong of death”.

  • Redadmiral

    The downing of IAF F-161 would NOT have happened without the consent of Russia. Payback for their downed Su-25 methinks

  • Gary Sellars

    Its nice to wake up in a world with one less Ziostani warbird and one less bloody-handed child murderer….

    More please, now.

  • Roger Roger

    Dream on ! Israel has absolute air superiority. That doesn’t preclude losses.

    • Brad Isherwood

      Maybe over Israel : )

      Some source info on the net suggests Syrian Mobile SA 17/BUK M2E got in on the IAF jets.
      Reports that other Israeli jets were damaged from the sortie.

      Syria has several Mobile SAM systems with 35 klm reach.
      Israel is worried Iranian version of Mobile BUK M2E has made its way to South Lebanon /Hezbollah.

      If Syrian BUK M2E. …or other Mobile SAMs did get on the IAF jets,
      This will force Israel to SAT coverage west /east and south of Damascus to locate them,..if possible.

      If several IAF jets did get damaged + the F 16 I Sufa,….that would indeed suggest Syria has positioned mobile SAMs and may have baited IAF into a trap.

      Israel’s Invincibility image thingy that got bruised in Lebanon 2006 when Merkava’s became barbecue via Hezbollah and ATGM,
      Israel Now faces Truth…
      They also sail full systems alert when near Lebanon after a Hezbollah tore up INS
      Hanit with Chinese C 802 antiship missile.

      Israel/Netanyahu cartoon UN rush to war with Iran would be very costly.
      This weekend just proved that : )

      • 888mladen .

        What about sinking IN’s a brand new dolphin class submarine with tactical nukes on board by ultra fast RU torpedo launched from SY KA antisubmarine chopper? It doesn’t fall under the air superiority chapter nevertheless it has been a great humiliation to Zio hubris.

    • Wahid Algiers

      You will see dodger dodger.

  • Blaine

    Another consideration that goes along with the range of s200 missiles – when a large number are fired, what comes of the misses? Do they not run out of fuel and fall to earth, possibly over occupied Golan or parts nearby?

    I have no idea if the misses detonate on impact.

  • The shoot down of Israeli F16i was the removal of another mask of superiority , a myth that Israeli have unbeatable air power in the region. Just because their victims never hard counter the IAF jets illegally bombing sovereign nations , doesnt mean it is a superb air force. In fact IAF pilots today never encounter real Air Defense other than simulations. Once they face a real air defence they got blasted out from the sky..

    this is the 2nd mask that dropped showing IAF as an overrated military unit. Their ground forces mask of superiorty was dropped in 2006 when they were defeated by hezbollah.

    The power of Israeli Defense lies on their propaganda arm , where they constantly put fake victories and past glories as a reason why it is still superior..

    what superiority can one expect from IDF whose combat experience only against unsophisticated insurgents and unarmed oldmen women and children ? they even shot a legless unarmed protester by sniper fire.. this is israeli courage.. this is IDF