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Coup Threat In Turkey. Dozen Admirals Detained Over Critics Of Istanbul Canal Project

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103 retired admirals issued a statement condemning the “Islamization” of the Turkish Armed Forces and the recent public debate on Turkey’s withdrawal from the Montreux Treaty for the Straits. On April 5, Turkey detained 10 retired admirals after a letter signed that they had signed warned against a possible threat to a treaty governing the use of Turkey’s key waterways.

It is the first time since the coup attempt in July 2016 that Turkish officers, even retired ones, have attempted to intervene in the country’s political developments, evoking memories of the military movements of the past.

The retired admirals express in their text their concern about the opening of the debate on the Montreux Treaty and at the same time, on the occasion of the presence of a senior naval officer at the premises of an Islamic fraternity with Islamic outfit. They express their opposition and condemn “the efforts to show the Turkish Armed Forces and the Navy that they are moving away from the path set by Kemal Ataturk” and add:

“Otherwise, the Turkish Republic may face the danger and threat of turbulent and vital events for its survival, examples of which exist in history.”

Coup Threat In Turkey. Dozen Admirals Detained Over Critics Of Istanbul Canal Project

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In their announcement, the 103 retired admirals point out, among other things:

“The Turkish Straits are one of the most important sea routes in the world and their status has been governed by international treaties throughout history. The last of these conditions, that of Montreux , which best protects Turkey’s rights, is not only a treaty for transit and crossing the Turkish Strait, but a great diplomatic victory for Turkey, with which it regained its full sovereignty in Istanbul, Canakkale, the Sea of ​​Marmara and the Straits, supplementing the Treaty of Lausanne .

The Treaty of Montreux is a key document for the security of the Black Sea countries and has turned the Black Sea into a sea of ​​peace. Montreux is a contract that, in the event of war, protects Turkey from being inadvertently entered into by one of the warring parties. Montreux allowed Turkey to maintain its neutrality during World War II. For these and similar reasons, we believe that should be avoid any verbal reference and action that would open the debate for the Montreux Treaty, which is important for Turkey’s survival.”

They also refer to the visit of the current Commander of the Navy Procurement, Captain Mehmet Sarı, to an Islamic fraternity, putting on his uniform the characteristic robe and the corresponding head covering.

“On the other hand, some unacceptable images, news and discussions published in the press and on social media have been a source of deep sorrow for those of us who have dedicated our lives to this profession. In the last years, the Turkish Armed Forces, and especially our Navy, have been deliberately attacked by the FETO (the movement of self- proclaimed preacher Fethullah Gulen), who have sacrificed their valuable leaders in these treacherous conspiracies.

“The most important lesson to be learned from these conspiracies is the urgent need for the Turkish Armed Forces to uphold the fundamental values ​​of the Constitution, which cannot be changed and which cannot be proposed for change,” they said.

The text signed by the 103 retired admirals caused political unrest in Ankara and the furious reaction of the government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The spokesman of the Turkish president, Fahrettin Altun, in a post on Twitter, said about the Fifth Column and calls on the “fans” of the coups “to stay where they are”.

“So what? Some retired admirals gathered and issued a “statement”. The “Fifth Columnists” were immediately excited. Sit down. That Turkey belongs to the past! This nation proved how it treats the supporters of the July 15th coup. Know your limits! Who do you think you are? By what right do you point the finger at the legal representatives of the people’s will? Turkey is a state governed by the rule of law. Do not forget this. Those who want it under guardianship will not harm our democracy. “The repressed subordinates of the foreign forces will not stop the course of Turkey that is becoming stronger.” Erdogan’s spokesman wrote in a sharp and angry style.

In a similar vein, the speaker of the National Assembly, Mustafa Şentop, who was the one who revived the debate on Turkey’s withdrawal from the Montreux Treaty, wrote on Twitter:

“On July 15, our heroic nation buried not only the coup plotters of FETO (Gulenists), but also all those who flirt with the idea of ​​the coup and are powered by the same source. It is one thing to express an opinion and another to publish an announcement that foreshadows a coup. “


The representative of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), Ömer Çelik, condemned the “103” initiative:

“It is unacceptable for some retired admirals to publish a statement in a manner and style reminiscent of other times. It is obvious in our political life what this way and style corresponds to. What they did is an insult to both the popular will and the uniform they once wore. It is also a proof that the logic that a guardianship regime wants is still alive “.

He adds:

“We condemn this primitive language that is directed against the elected government.” Besides, the targeting of the commander-in-chief (Ed: President Erdogan) while he is fighting in the Blue Homeland, is met with a specific entry in the military terminology”.

The statement on Turkey’s withdrawal from the Treaty

As a shock fell last week, the president of the Turkish National Assembly and confidant of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Mustafa Sentop, released a statement that Ankara may withdraw from the Treaty of  Montreux, which regulates the freedom of navigation in the Straits of Dardanelles and Bosporus .

In an interview with Haberturk a few days ago, Mr. Sentop was asked to comment on the reactions to the withdrawal of Turkey’s signature from the Istanbul Convention (International Agreement on the Prevention of Violence against Women), a decision by the Turkish government which has received strong criticism inside and outside the country, mainly from the European Union.

In an attempt to justify Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s decision, the Turkish politician said that “the President of the Republic may, by decree, withdraw from the Montreux Treaty, as he also withdrew from the Istanbul Convention.”

What the Montreux Treaty provides

This Treaty in conjunction with that of Lausanne are considered the international founding acts of the Turkish Republic and the conditions under which the full independence of the country was secured, including the full sovereignty of the Turkish state in the Straits .

The Treaty of Montreux also directly concerns Greece, as it affects the status of the Greek islands of the northeastern Aegean and is a party to this treaty.

The Treaty of Montreux, or the Treaty on the Status of the Straits, was signed on July 20th 1936 in the Swiss city of Montreux. It gave Turkey full control of the Straits, giving it the right to maintain military forces there, abolishing the relevant restrictions of the earlier Lausanne Treaty of 1923. It also ensured free navigation by civilian ships in peacetime. It also allows the passage of warships of the Black Sea countries with one week notice and under certain conditions of displacement, size and armament. It does, however, significantly restrict the passage of non-Black Sea warships by setting limits on their displacement and the weapons they carry, and also imposes a transit warning.

The Contracting Parties are Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, the Soviet Union, Turkey, Australia, France, Italy, the United Kingdom and Yugoslavia.

The “storm” of reactions is not only from the opposition Kemalists, but also political allies who have not yet stood against Erdogan, such as retired Admiral Cem Gurdeniz , one of the inspirers of the “Blue Homeland” theory . Critics of Shedop’s statements argue that if Turkey repeals the Montreux Treaty, it will face the 1920 Treaty of Sevres (a timeless “nightmare” for Turkey, as it awakens fears of partition). They also claim that if the provisions of the Montreux Treaty are repealed, the US fleet will have a permanent presence in the Black Sea without any restrictions on the displacement of warships and their equipment.

Not a surprise

However, this is not the first time that such a statement has been heard from Turks, like that of Mr. Sentop. In December 2019, on the occasion of the announcement for the construction of the Istanbul Canal (Kanal Istanbul) promoted by Recep Tayyip Erdogan by the Turkish presidency, a statement was issued expressing similar views:

“In the Straits with the Montreux Treaty we have no right and the ships pass as they wish. Think that they use the Straits and we gain nothing. But with Kanal Istanbul there will be rights as in the Suez Canal. We will move this plan forward.”

Kanal Istanbul is one of the mega-projects that Mr. Erdogan envisions in recent years, with the completion of which he plans to change the geostrategy of the Straits, bypassing the Bosphorus by opening a canal to the west of Istanbul, between Sea of Marmara and the Black Sea.

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Shadow

Those retired admirals are right with their concerns. Withdrawal from the Montreux Treaty for the Straits will allow Americans to pass their naval fleet without any limits and cause Red Sea to turn into a sea of ​​war. That’s what Biden wants now especially due to Ukraine issue. Erdogan has a tendency to obey Biden but kemalist admirals are resisting.

76 mm Super Rapid

Fixed:Black Sea… like all the islamists everything has to be done secretly-reckless. Dramatic consequences of presidential system.All construction projects as well as the giant excavation projects were already partitioned.Since the Roman period Terkos Lake and Sazlıdere reservoir provide a quarter of the city’s drinking water,how will they solve this problem is mystery.İt will be enviromental disaster.

Shadow

You’re right, i meant Black Sea. Erdogan is very powerful at the moment due to presidental system but if he tries to push those ‘secret’ projects further, he needs to use all of his power to achieve these goals. there will be a huge resistance from all levels. We’ll see if he will fail or not.

76 mm Super Rapid

He wont fail,he has a huge finance support from you know the source.He already started playing footsie with Johnnies in Syria through James Jeffrey.Sdf supplies electricity to Turkish held areas(from the dams they captured from Saa),Turkey supplies water to Sdf held areas.

Shadow

I believe he will fail. Servet, is that you? lmao. Nasılsın olm kılık değiştirmişin hiç haber vermiyosun

76 mm Super Rapid

Who is Servet lol? çaktırma ben seni seviyorum seni görünce yazdım yoksa sf ile vedalaşmıştım.😁

Jens Holm

Thats trade. Iran also sell food and elctricity to Iraq.

The world is not as black and white as too many think and understand.

HiaNd

Maybe Erdogan is not just “obeying”.
Maybe that is exactly what Erdogan has agreed with US as favor to them. To get some US favor in return….

Shadow

Maybe. He is still playing with two sides but if he decides to turn back to his previous pro-US politics, he cannot stay on that chair any longer. That’s certain.

HiaNd

It is just short term common interests exchange…
Like old, half divorced couple. Doing last favor to each other….or taking last advantage of that situation before final divorce.

The Objective

Very sensible comment. Global relations are transnational now.

Cromwell

Well if those US warships are given that access to the black sea and war breaks out,most won’t be leaving.

Shadow

True, that’s what the US dreams of but it won’t happen. It will remain as a wet dream because AKP would never dare to withdraw from the Montreux Treaty. Or would they? Let them try. People are already furious due to economic crisis.

Jens Holm

I think I agree. Restrictions like that will hit Turkey itself hard too.

Jesus

The more American ships in the Black Sea the more targets for Russia to sink.

Shadow

Sure, I would prefer to sink them in Eastern Mediterranean though. Russia+Turkiye vs US+France as future alliances in my opinion. Black Sea should remain as a sea of peace.

Jesus

I do not see a Russian and Turkish alliance on the matter.

Lord Commmander

Uzun zaman oldu görüşmeyeli bro.

Shadow

Oo nasılsın bro:) Hiç ses soluk yok.

Lord Commmander

Kanka askerdeydim, 25.yaşında asker olduk (Şırnak Hudut) unuttum buraları be ama senin burada olman çok iyi be ilkokul arkadaşımı görmüş gibi sevindim yeminle :)

Shadow

Aynen ben de:) bitti mi askerlik iyi hadi geçmiş olsun ben de 6-7 sene önce hallettim. uzun süredir takılmıyorum arada bakıyorum işte southfronta falan. liveumap şu sıralar durgun zaten. Azeri-Ermeni muhabbeti varken toplanmıştı eski tayfa escobar şu bu sonra dağıldılar. Aksiyon olunca damlıyor ama herkes

Lord Commmander

Kanka temmuz 2020de bitti, sen en iyisini yapmışın.
“Aksiyon olunca damlıyor ama herkes” :)

Just Me

Good sensible comment as always. The military has pretty much been defanged after more than 1300 officers were rounded up. Erdogan has changed societal orientation into a Islamist one.

Ricky Miller

Want Russian Currency Reserves used to build half a dozen nuclear destroyers and several aircraft carriers? A Turkish withdrawal from the Montreux Treaty all but guarantees such and sooner, rather than later. Just this kind of talk from Turkish poles of authority are probably putting a bounce in the steps of senior Russian naval commanders today. With grins on their faces they can’t wait to get to the next budgets and priorities meetings. Deputy Prime Minister and critic of armaments spending, who?

Jesus

Oil being at +60 $ a barrel and staying in the proximity of that price range, would allow Russia to adjust their defense budget, yes, they can build the Lidder destroyers and larger carriers in the Far East at Zvezda as they have built naval building facilities that can handle large tonnage ships….especially LNG carriers.

Ricky Miller

Not really. Russia doesn’t make decisions based on oil price during any given month, but instead on six and twelve month averages. And even at $60+ a barrel Russia would only pocket some $96 million dollars a day beyond current budgeting. The economic wing of the Russian elite are firmly in power in Moscow right now led by Mishutin. They are wary of using oil Rubles for spending projects, even military projects. They fear currency fluctuations in the Rubles value if Russian spending takes off due to oil revenue. So, without Presidential intervention, the extra money is first taken for a barrier fund to insure budget stability against a fall in oil price below $44 a barrel, then the remainder on any given day goes into currency reserve. If emergency military or economic spending is to occur this will be funded by, most likely, using resources from the reserves so as to de-link the Ruble value from oil prices.

Jesus

First of all, the rubble has been decoupled from the price of oil, less oil resulting from US’s green policies and the closure of the Keystone pipeline along with shaky supplies from SA would allow prices to stay around 60 or more dollars as economic activity will start to go into full gear.

The ruble’s value has long been tied to the price of oil and the two used to move in lockstep. That changed when the Russian Ministry of Finance introduced the so-called budget rule (aka the financial rule), which automatically siphons off any excess oil-export revenue to the National Welfare Fund (NWF) for all revenues earned from oil prices over US$42.
That rule led to the buildup of the reserve fund, which held 12 trillion rubles, or 11 percent of GDP as of April 1, and helped bring down inflation to post-Soviet lows, but, most importantly, largely broke the tie between the ruble’s value and the price of oil.

That has changed now. Since oil prices have fallen below the key US$42 for a cost of a barrel of oil threshold, the budget rule doesn’t make any difference anymore, so oil prices and the value of the ruble should re-engage.

With a relatively stable rubble without affecting the cost of living and profitability of Russian domestic businesses, the Russian MIC can undertake construction of capital ships without worrying about a depreciating rubble that will impact their bottom line.
Also, the newly implemented constitutional amendment cuts any ties of the Russian central bank from ECB and the Fed.

The Objective

This will work only if Russia stops getting into wars.

farbat

of course mr al qaeda thinks russia is the one starting the wars its certainly not their al qaeda turkish animal connection which runs around teaching how to behead people you mr not objective are a perfect example of the idiocy of your brand of animalism

The Objective

You’re blocked man.

The Objective

I haven’t got the time for a dumb.

Ricky Miller

And yet, the fact that Russia isn’t financing capital ship construction sort of defeats the idea of your entire point. The fact that the Defense Minister had to use his close personal relationship with the President to shield Defense spending from the Prime Minister’s demands to reduce defense related spending also tells a story.

Nothing you said about de-coupling is really at odds with my point. We both seem to understand that not spending excess earnings on the price of a barrel of oil and instead stashing the excess away helps insulate the Ruble from value fluctuations. We disagree on the price point at which the government balances it’s current budget plan, I said $44 you claim $42. The only issues I think you are confused about would be your belief that the current price of oil is high enough to alter spending; the Russian government has proven to plan oil income and spending based on multiple month averages on oil price in planning revenue and spending. A current surge above $60 is too brief a time to plan or estimate any difference, as the OPEC+ decision to increase output demonstrates. And you seem confused in that stated belief that Russian spending discipline realitive to the price of oil has permanently decoupled the Ruble value from oil price. No. It only insulates the two for as long as the spending restraints hold. If they go the Ruble will see wild fluctuations in value along with changes in the oil price.

Jesus

“”” And yet, the fact that Russia isn’t financing capital ship construction sort of defeats the idea of your entire point”””

In order to finance capital ships you need facilities to build them. The Far East is a better place for naval constructions to build large tonnage ships in dockyards built recently for LNG carriers. It was your initial post that said as the Montreaux treaty was being reconsidered by Turkey, for Russia to use some of their reserves to build nuclear powered destroyers and carriers.

Price for Ural mix will stay high, S. Arabian production is questionable in view of more successful Houthi attacks, and US stopped trying to be the no 1 producer of the world, since their shale oil had its issues.

Russian spending guidelines are not limited to oil, Russia is a sovereign country it can print as much money as it wants without any need of compliance to the ECB or the Fed.

“”” And you seem confused in that stated belief that Russian spending discipline realitive to the price of oil has permanently decoupled the Ruble value from oil price.”””

Do I seem confused to you? In case of lower prices of oil and resulting budget deficits, some of the reserves can be converted to rubbles, or the RCB can print rubles to cover the deficit.
Russia is specializing on other exports, minimizing the importance of gas and oil revenue for their budget.

Ricky Miller

Using reserves was the entire crux of my comment. You brought up the oil price and sidelined the whole conversation. High oil price or low oil price Russia would use reserve money to pay shipbuilders in order to insulate the Ruble from currency craziness.
Major shipbuilding for Destroyers can be done in St. Petersburg. Or, did you miss the 35,000 ton icebreakers. The Far East is acceptable also, and right now, unless we’re involved in the process it would be difficult to know for sure. Both HC are being constructed in Crimea.
I think you respond to me sometimes just to hear yourself argue. We’re back to where we started after all that: 1) currency reserves 2) possible shipbuilding, who cares what yard? What was the point beyond my comment?

Ricky Miller

You talk at me just to argue. And you are confused about the Russian government seeing oil price at $60 a barrel and considering that as permanent, or as an excuse to open up the spending tap. They wait, and average out the oil price when formulating budgets. After all that talk we’re right back where we started, which was my original point; they’ll use reserves to pay for urgent additions to the shipbuilding plan.
And you’re wrong about the Far East shipyards being necessary. USC would be the contractor for any such project and they would most likely use St. Petersburg shipyards like Baltic and Severnaya Verf. The project 22220 Icebreakers of 33,000 tons are being built there, and the “Pyotr Velikiy” was built there too. There is no history of atomic projects being undertaken at shipyards in the Far East. Both Helicopter Carriers are being built in Crimea, as was “Admiral Kuznetsov.”

Jesus

“”” The Russian government doesn’t make spending plans on the basis of what the oil price spikes at, this month. They use the average oil price over time. $60 oil today can be $38 by this time next month,”””

I never said they do, I mentioned that oil prices are in the 60’s now and shown you reasons why it could go higher in the long term.

I do not talk to hear myself talk, and I do not intend to trap anyone, sometimes the discussion can evolve in several directions.

Baltic Sea and Black Sea were hundreds of miles from the NATO border during Soviet times, providing enough strategic depth, now they are close to a contact point with NATO.

Ricky Miller

You do seem confused. This is the third response I’ve typed out. Clearly, SF must be protecting you or something.
The Russian government doesn’t make spending plans on the basis of what the oil price spikes at, this month. They use the average oil price over time. $60 oil today can be $38 by this time next month, and that’s no way to pay for a major project. Using the price of oil to rapidly adjust spending also puts downward pressure on the price of the Ruble. The Russian government doesn’t want that. If there is to be urgent spending on naval construction, outside of budget, they’d pull from reserves to make certain the project was paid for and not vulnerable to payments based on monthly oil prices and to make certain that currency fluctuations don’t occur.
And you’re just wrong about shipyards being needed in the Far East. Both major St. Petersburg shipyards would be fine for atomic destroyers; Project 22220 atomic icebreakers are being built there now (33,000 tons.) The last destroyers built in Russia (2006) were built there as was “Pyotr Veliky.” There is no history of atomic projects being undertaken in the Far East.
Both Helicopter Carriers are being built in Crimea, as were the Soviet carriers.

Jesus

You do not seem to understand what I am talking about, the Russian federal budget is in rubbles, the MIC gets paid in roubles, $42 is the break even point before the extra revenue goes into NWF reserves…..the National Welfare Fund. In case of recession or extremely depressed oil prices, NWF assets are converted to rubbles to help any budget deficits and provide enough liquidity for businesses.
Yes, I am bullish on oil.

There were no destroyers built in Russia in 2006, Peter the Great is a battle cruiser.

“”” There is no history of atomic projects being undertaken in the Far East.”””

Yes, there is no history of capital ship construction in the Far East, however, ships of 70-100,000 tons displacement such as a carrier can be built there

Jihadi Colin

I see nothing about a coup in the actual article, just retired and powerless ex navy officers expressing their opinion.

If there were to be another coup, though, Russia should allow it to proceed and not tip off Sultan Erdoğan like last time.

Diana Cornwell

But anyone who even questions Erdogan’s motives must be taught a lesson, right?

Keep dreaming about Putin not backing or helping Erdogan. They are both working for the same international bankers who control NATO.

Turkey is finished as a secular democracy — which it never was anyway.

You can thank the EU, Russia and the US for that. It’s cheaper to deal with a tyrant than a nation of 83 million.

Just Me

Good comment Diana. Turkey is an Islamist sh1thole now and even the veneer of democracy has worn off. Women in hijab and burkas now.

Ahson

but doc, in front of Iranians these guppu like servants no? we keep them for house duties, always looking for a master these types of toady. It’s been this way since time immemorial no?….lol….come on no?…..lol….khedmatgozar no doc?….guppu/ camel jockey no?…..lol….you know we got em no?……lol

Diana Cornwell

Didn’t understand a word.

Condor

It is a language from a galaxy far, far away.

Diana Cornwell

😐

Jens Holm

I agree. Here it would be normal debating. The main problem seemes to be some can propose that kind of reducig the internationaæl rights.

Icarus Tanović

Last one was false. It was his work to concrete his position. This time isn’t like that. Those people are not joking.

The Objective

They are not joking, but they forget that this is not the 1980s when Turkey’s military was filled with pro-Western officers. There’s been a gradual but fundamental change that Erdogan and his party enacted in the military. They started this since 2003 or so and exacerbated it after the 2016 coup. This was one of the major reasons why the coup failed. Halusi Akar refused to speak with Gulen over the phone when Gulen requested that he be connected to the General. A great many Turkish soldiers are pro-Islamic now.
With the S-400 in place and activated, another airforce bombing is even more unlikely to succeed. The Western puppets in Turkey must be silenced and these admiral will be should the situation warrant it. And the Turkish state is very vigilant over them.
Turkey must get out of the clutches of Western imperialism. Turkey will decide its own destiny and won’t be dictated to by Europe or the U.S. Get used to that Gulenists.

Condor

Which madraasa did you learn your geopolitical garbage? Turkey is the second largest NATO army and home to several NATO bases. It is hardly independent by any measure. No wonder you Islamists believe in winged horses and 72 virgins. I could not find a single one in college.

The Objective

Turkey is on paper a member of NATO. But make no mistake, the Turkey that joined NATO decades ago is not the same as the Turkey of today. Turkey is in NATO today for Turkey’s interest. No one dictates anything to Turkey anymore. If you see Erdogan make concessions or appear to obey America, he does that to achieve something for Turkey – like averting sanctions or gaining some favor in return. But it’s not a master-servant relationship like it was in the past.
Get real! things have changed. Even the Americans are saying that. Go read their (America’s) policy papers if you don’t believe me.

farbat

i dont know if an al qaeda supporter can be called objective XD

The Objective

You’re looking to enter my block list again.
Have a great day.

Jihadi Colin

These people also have no troops and no power.

Condor

20,000 NATO troops in Turkey have the power and the nukes. And Erdogan only survives as he is useful to us.

Jihadi Colin

If NATO nukes are going to be used then it is immaterial where one is or where they’re launched from because it will be all out nuclear war.

Condor

I don’t see a nuclear war over Russia. There is strong pro western opposition in Russia so it will fall apart like Yugoslavia. Bill Burns has created a very invasive intelligence presence in Russia. Mossad is very active as well with the 2 million Russian and Ukrainian Jew presence in Occupied Palestine.

Jihadi Colin

The “strong pro western opposition ” consists of a gaggle of Moscow yuppie liberals and couldn’t break Russia up even in the 90s with Yeltsin in power.

Diana Cornwell

Remember, it was Yeltsin who appointed Putin. Not the opposition.
Maybe that should tell you something? Putin thus far betrayed Serbia, the Russians of Donbass, the Armenians, and even the Syrians/Iranians/the Lebanese, as far as I’m concerned.
In my opinion, Putin is worse than all of them because MSM was able to create this false aura of righteousness around him even though Putin did not do a single thing out of the goodness of his heart.

Jihadi Colin

I know perfectly well Yeltsin appointed Putin and Putin’s first action was to give Yeltsin immunity for all his crimes in office. I have also repeatedly said Putin is Yeltsin without the booze and better PR.

Diana Cornwell

Exactamente.

Condor

Putin was a third rate major in the most inept “intelligence” service in the world, the KGB which could not even predict the Berlin Wall crashing down. Even casual observers saw the handwriting on the wall several decades ago and the defeat in Afghanistan just sealed the deal.

Icarus Tanović

Educate your self. They have backing of 15 millions of people who are eager to see Erdogan in jail.
So mr.Jihadi, think again.

Jihadi Colin

Yeah, because those people are going to overthrow Erdo with bare hands.

Just Me

You never know, the Turkish army is tired and in over-stretch and the 60 year war with 20 million Kurds is not a very heartening conflict. Now educated secular woman are angry at the Islamist AKP. So a coup or mass uprising can not be ruled out. Turkish economy is up the creek and lira is toilet paper.

Just Me

I would agree, Turkey is a police state and these old retired officers have no influence. Only the army can launch a coup, but it has been defanged after the last fake coup. Most generals now are AKP loyalists. Erodogan owes his existence to Russia and Iran who warned him about the last coup in a tea cup.

Condor

Turkey is the second largest NATO military and at the spearhead of US strategy against Russia. US would ideally like a more secular Turkey, but Erodogan also serves us well. Ukraine, Poland, Romania and Turkey above all is the vanguard of the coming destruction and Balkanization of Russia. NATO special forces are already operating in Don Bass and even Crimea. Russia is in for a real Blitzkrieg this time.

Just Me

Well, Russia should never have allowed NATOfaggots to get entrenched in Ukraine in the first place and let the Don Bas Freedom Fighters move on to liberate Odessa.

Just Me

Turkish warplanes launch new air raids on Iraqi Kurdistan villages killing and wounding a number of civilians.

Turkish F-16 fighter jets have conducted new airstrikes on
Duhok Province in Iraq’s northern semi-autonomous Kurdistan region,
defying Baghdad’s numerous protests at such violations of the Arab
country’s sovereignty.

Citing witnesses, Iraq’s Shafaq News reported heavy bombing on
villages near Deshish Mountain on Monday night, causing panic among the mostly civilian
residents.

Ivanus59

The zionist Muslim Brotherhood sultan has 0 tolerance for question his decisions.

Jens Holm

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Icarus Tanović

Oh yes, that is very right. Islamic brotherhood stupid hyena wants to destroy Turkey.
This all what is he doing won’t end well for him. He crossed every possible line of tolerance.
To destroy the state and bring about Wahhabis? This sounds very familiar.

Condor

Erdogan has killed more Arabs for his Zionist master, than his masters in Tel Aviv.

johnny rotten

The Sultan shows to be afraid of their own shadow, this will kill him before any real or imaginary coup.

Ishyrion Av

The possible retreat of Turkey from the Montreux Treaty would greatly affect the commercial and national security interests of Black Sea riveran countries. Maybe smaller countries won’t be able to do anything but raising their voice.
However, with Russia situation is different and they might legally invoke the Treaty of Lausanne.
The time for partition of Turkey is coming sooner than later.

Voldemort

NATO

Jens Holm

You firget western economies and escalate Nato being there as thje whole Nato as well. YUou arehighly biased or misinformed.

MikeH

NATO is the US with other flags as a fig leaf.

Jens Holm

Thats highly incorrect. Your insight is not existing.

Much as Ypu are a camel, which cant fly even it want to.

Just Me

True the EuroFAGS are worse than Saudis in terms of military capability. That is why the Ameriswine coopted Turkey as the cannon fodder.

Jens Holm

So all muslims are mebers of ISIS and Shiits too. I dont think so.

Ishyrion Av

NATO will not help Turkey.
Article 5, the collective defense, can only be invoked by a member with the accord of every other members. I will tell you now that Greece (and probably other members like Bulgaria, Hungary and even Poland) will object on the turkish statements that they are under attack and will claim that Turkey attacked first.
Of course, this will be true (this is Turkey nervous nature), but even if it wouldn’t be true, they will still object. And NATO, as an organization, will do nothing for Turkey.
US, Germany will make a promise, but will just watch how Russia is erasing Turkey off the map. And in the end, will come and give a hand.

Voldemort

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

Ishyrion Av

ALL parties have to agree. Greece will never agree. Period.

Voldemort

Who told you about any agreement by all parties? There is no veto or agreement for article 5, you might be confusing it with admission to NATO, which is irrelevant in this case.

Ishyrion Av

It has to be unanimity. That means ALL have to agree.

Voldemort

no it doesn’t, i posted the 5th article which shows what i have said.
you are welcome to post your source about unanimity.

ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

NATO is over …. another alliance is being prepared

Voldemort

yeah, sure

The Objective

You’re welcome the Ruskies. Come and get the fight of your life if that’s what you want.
History shows Erdogan a cunning and smart politician. I trust he’s calculated this issue through.
Putin won’t do shit.

Ishyrion Av

Erdogan is hardly a smart politician. Until now he managed to piss off US, Russia, Iran and half of Europe. Probably Israel too, but for that I’m not so sure.
The coup, organized by US and defeated by Russia, the economic and political sanctions Russia imposed to Turkey until Erdogan came on his knees to Kremlin, the deep dependency of Turkey defense, economy and energy projects of Russia – none are good news for Turkey.
He is pushing the limits with everyone around and even goes further, trying to destabilize the Caucasus. Should I talk about his Otoman wet dreams in Middle East?
How long would it take for this to explode?
Rather sooner then later.

The Objective

“Erdogan is hardly a smart politician. Until now he managed to piss off US, Russia, Iran and half of Europe. Probably Israel too, but for that I’m not so sure.”
It is not Erdogan that’s pissing them off. It’s Islam.
They see the light of Islam emanating from his leadership and cabinet. Russia, America, Europe and their puppets all share one thing in common. And that thing is bringing them together against Turkey.

Ishyrion Av

Nobody has a problem with islam. Stop victimize yourself. But I have a problem with muslims trying to tell me how and what to believe, or else… I have a problem with muslims who think the world has to be conquered by their faith, or else…
That is not light, actually is pretty dark.
However, if God keeps you still breathing, who am I to say otherwise?
Make your choices here, because in eternity you will be bound of them.

Condor

There is no God, it is just a desert mirage created by delirious Arab wandering charlatans.

Ishyrion Av

And your ancestors were monkeys, I know.

farbat

so it was muslims not christians who slaughtered countless of people around the world who created things like opium wars famines and such to genocide people and who pretty much wiped out civilizations in america to conquer it as their own

farbat

the monkey is your mother and your father is the dog you lowly fool

The Objective

“Nobody has a problem with islam”
Your first statement is big lie. Almost ALL Christians have a problem with Islam. The same applies to Jews and atheists. I’m not victimizing Muslims. But we are indeed a victim of oppression, murder, wars, chaos, and slander. (Islamic terrorism, Islamic extremist, Islamic fundamentalism, Islamic conservatism, Islamic this Islamic that, and so on. That is psychological warfare and it has made some Muslims (not me) feel guilty of a crime they didn’t commit)
True Muslims today just want to see the progress of Islamic countries and unity among us. This desire has NO extension about conquering the world. It is all about liberating Islamic countries, helping and protecting weaker Muslims wherever they may be in the world. So it’s quite different from what you think.

Ishyrion Av

It is muslims who kill Christians, not viceversa. It is islam who wants to conquer the entire world, not Christianity.
And if you want to say US was bombing Iraq = Christians were bombing muslims, that is false. US does not represent Christianity and especially their government, which is actually zionist.
We, Christians, respect the faith of others, because it comes from the freedom God gave to everyone. Freedom to be with God, or to be without. Freedom to pray to idols (which you do). Do whatever you want to do WITHOUT interfering with my life, my faith, my tradition. Live YOUR life, do not force ME to live YOUR life.
But you have no unity among you. Sunni kills shiia every day. Orthodox will never kill Catholics (even if viceversa happened during the history, it doesn’t happen now). You won’t hear about a protestant blowing up a catholic church. Syria was mostly muslim, why turks and saudi kill Syrians?
You are sick, and is your right to be.
But leave us alone. Pray to your god in your land. You are not welcome in Europe.

Condor

All Abrahamic cults are hopeless. Jews are the worst as they are pure evil and a threat to humanity.

Rhodium 10

jajajaja I like your jokes!…”Putin won´t do shit”….but meanwhile Russia has taken the control of 90% Syria and Libyan oil resources!…bonus 3 provinces of Azerbajan ( NK) and outpost in 2 more….sorry I have forgotten the “Ottoman Crimea”…

The Objective

LOL. America controls 90% of Syria’s oil: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210320-us-controls-90-of-syria-oil/
It also controls much of Syria’s grains and arable lands. Russia has ZERO say on Libya’s oil. Turkey has and will defeat Russia in Libya. Know why? because Libya is Muslim. You may stay for a while, but you’ll ultimately go.
We’ve no desire for Crimea.
Parts of N-K was liberated. War is postponed for now. Turkish engineers are gearing up to start rebuilding that liberated part. the Azerbaijanis have budgeted $2 billion for the rebuilding which mainly goes to Turkish construction companies. When the liberated parts have been rebuilt, Azerbaijan will rearm and reorganize to liberate more territory until all comes under Azeri control. The war only ended temporarily. Turkey will soon arm Azerbaijan with precision and highly destructive missiles that penetrates every kind of anti-missile defense. They’ll give Azerbaijan a layered A2/AD defense that will impose a prohibitive cost on any country which tries to invade.
Weapons programs are progressing rapidly and most will mature within the next decade. So there’s a lot in store for our enemies in the future.

Rhodium 10

jajajaja again with your jokes!….Man the oil of Libya are under control of Russia which provide LNA with fighter jets, PMC and air defense…almost all oil resources are in the East part of the country!…almost olive lands in Syria are under Assad control!…the capital of NK is Stepanakert which are under Russia control!…Turkey also deployed air defense in Al Wattiya base ( tripoli)..and what happened?…one day Russian jets without marks…destroyed the Hawk system, Radar, and Koral EWS…other day the same jets destroyed an hangar in Misrata whre TB2 drones were deployed!..Why Ukraine and his masters dont invade Donbass?….because they know that it would be the end of Ukraine state!

The Objective

In Libya, French not Russian jets destroyed some systems in a surprise attack. But who won the fight in the end. If those jets could help Haftar, they would have done it.
And N-K doesn’t need to all be liberated in one day. As long as the UN recognizes N-K as Azerbaijani territory, Russia will have to leave some day. I give it max one decade. What I’m waiting for is the numerous Turkish defense programs for various weapons systems, especially missiles, ships, tanks, and other armor. Azerbaijan will be armed to such an extent that a Russian invasion will only be possible at a prohibitive human and material loss to Russia. by then, Turkey has increased in strength. If Erdogan still rules Turkey by then, the military and economy will likely grow much stronger and expanded. Considering the defense pact between Turkey and Azerbaijan, Russia will think twice before attempting in Azerbaijan what it did in Georgia or Ukraine.
So my friend, the N-K issue can be pushed aside for now. Now is time to rebuild what was lost, invest more in defense against a possible Russian invasion, and then launch another way to liberate more lands. Russia is a peace-keeping force and it has to maintain that official position not to be labelled an invading force – though it is. If hostilities breakout again between Azeris and Armenians, Russia will try to get them to agree on a ceasefire, but if they keep fighting, what can Russia do? The worst they can do is declear war on Azerbaijan and Turkey. I can’t see Putin having the stomach for such a war.
I remember you talking tough about the N-K war until it became undeniable that Armenia was losing. Then you started blaming Russia for not intervening in the war and even called Putin a traitor. I remember you well.
Russia is losing in almost every war right now. It lost in Libya when Haftar failed. It lost in N-K when parts of the N-K was liberated and the Nakhchivan corridor reopened. It hasn’t won the war in Syria yet. Idlib and the SDF remain a big obstacle which Assad is very unlikely to take back while still being a dictator. Russia invested so much in Syria with nothing in return so far. If Assad falls, the loss will be huge. Russia also lost in Ukraine when its puppet government was forced out of power. Now there’s threat of war right on Russia’s border. Belarus is also another country where Russia is likely to lose. Georgia and Azerbaijan both left the CSTO. On the economic front, the west is attacking Russia with sanctions. The undersea pipeline project is a good example of how these sanctions are a problem for Russia. It’s share of arms export market keeps falling by the year.
So actually, I see a Russian decline just as America declines too. The only power on the rise is China.

Rhodium 10

“French jets”…Man…no country attacked that airbase because it would be a war declaration vs Turkey…it was SU 24 and MIG 29M without marks whose pilots are Russian PMC…they launched KH-31 Kripton missile in Al Wattiya and Misrata…for other side I didnt write that Armenia was winning the war!…I wrote that AZ forces was facing huge losses in Martuni ( East of NK) and in Shusha….people like you denied it…at the end of the war AZ military sources told that 2.983 soldiers have been killed….30 more was missing and Syrian FSA sources told that more than 200 terrorist have been killed!….North stream will be operative in one month while Turkstream are supplying many countries ( like Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Serbia…coming soon Hungary) while Ukraine Soyuz pipeline has lost 50%…

Condor

Russia is too weak and Putin is totally owned by the Jew oligarchy. Turkey may get its revenge for all the Ottoman defeats at Russian hands.

The Objective

Turkey is not looking to invade Any country preemptively. Neither is Turkey looking for a fight. But make no mistake: Russia will not bully Turkey into accepting any situation harmful tot he Turkish people, and if Russia contemplates any military action, they’re welcome to try.

Condor

Russia is too weak to attack any NATO state. It will automatically trigger Article 5. Russia is not even a pale shade of USSR, which itself was a hollow vassal and was soundly defeated in Afghanistan by US and its allies like Pakistan.

rightiswrong rightiswrong

If the US fleet gets unfettered access to the Black Sea, then Russia gets to build nuclear powered ships in Crimea. Aircraft carriers, nuke subs, everything the Montreux convention forbids them to do.

Unless Erdogan has a secret military force which can bottle up the Russians, then his ideas to ignore Montreux could be the straw that finally brings Constantinople back into Orthodox hands.

If the US thinks it’s a good idea to send their fleets into bottlenecks, go ahead. The Chinese won’t mind. The Russians will be shooting ducks in a bucket.

tzatz

If one needed more proof the last coup was staged by Erdogan in order to accelerate his desire for UNLIMITED POWER … this should be it …

Erdogan’s lust for power is unquenchable … only his death or someone standing tall against him will suffice to kick him off his perch … eh?

Biden? Putin? Khamanei? Sisi? the EU/NATO?

Anyone … ?

Just Me

Jew cowards from Canada blogging for hasbara should be more concerned about Hezbollah.
Next

tzatz

Nah … I hate Islamists … eh?

The only good Islamist is a dead Islamist … full stop

Whether Hezbollah or Turkish Islamist or IRGC Islamist … am I clear?

Daesh or al Qaeda et al are equally loathsome and need to be killed …

Hamas / Islamic Jihad / PFLP et al

Condor

Hebs are the biggest problem for the world along with other desert Abrahamic cults. You Arab followers are all the same. The Zionists now can’t even form a government in Occupied Palestine without Arab support LOL

tzatz

Ancient history … communism is so yesterday

Israel is fine … NO DICTATORSHIPS … a functioning liberal democracy

Are all of y’all Slavic slugs here?

farbat

to put it simple for you everyone who shoots 100s of rockets and missiles at the zionists in a conflict is a palestinian party i support

farbat

pflp should blow up the shin bet headquarter if they want my respect or do something else which isnt passiveness

Just Me

Twatz is totally ignorant. PFLP is a Greek Orthodox Palestinian armed resistance movement started by the late great Dr. George Habash and after Hezbollah has a stellar combat record of resistance and now based in Syria among Iranian allied forces. Many Lebanese Armenians are also part of it and trained by Iran.

The Objective

We know that already. Anything new?

Condor

This hasbara troll is totally ignorant and a teenager. Does not know the history of PFLP. This is beyond funny.

Condor

PFLP Islamist? What a level of ignorance
Next

tzatz

PFLP … the communist front group … Muslims are fungible as long as the goal is met

Lots of cross pollination is happening … hello?

Just Me

Greek Orthodox you ignorant teenage PUNK!

NEXT ROFLMAO

The Objective

Erdogan’s death will not automatically change Turkey. He’s created a system that will take the West decades to undo – unless another military coup succeeds, which is next to impossible now.

Condor

You Wahhabi type internet Jihadis have been wrong on every count so far.

Jens Holm

Much like Aprils fool to me:(

Voldemort

Someone doesn’t want the prospect of an alternative to Bosphorus

Jens Holm

There are none. Thats why this waterway as several other of big importance are free for all with few restrictions.

Tchoutoye

If push came to shove, Bulgaria and Greece could be convinced that a canal between the Black Sea and the Thracian Sea may be beneficial for their own countries as well. Bulgaria would have easier access to the Mediterranean and Greece would jump on board just to spite the Turks.

Jens Holm

Im afraid thats too expensive. Ideas like that can be tempting.

ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

EXACTLY

klove and light

lololol… and here we go again…putins buddy, opening the black sea to nato…………
they are ALL under control….under control of the Agenda…a agenda that was always there…in all times….it is the result of logical thinking of evil men……..the result was and is and will always be CONTROL !!!!! but only in todays digital world can this centuries long dream become true…..because mankind is simply to week and more than ever to dumb stupid to see it coming.The mechanism of control is always the division.
divide et impera…..divide and conquer….teile und herrsche….diviser et conquérir

this modus operandi is used day in and day out.in our daily lives on a daily basis, because it is the basis of illusion, hence the basis for their theatre play for you.
be it in sports….mancherster city or liverpoll etc… lakers or 69ers….republicans or democrats…biden or trump….SPD or CDU…..rich or poor……black or white……etc… it is the neverending mechanism of control that has finally achieved its goal………mankind is divided…to a point of no return……..

a theatre play for u 99 dummies………..to achieve the unimaginable……… a synchronised planned nuclear exchange between east and west…….the final pavement ( from corona bs to vaccines bs to the total destruction of the worlds monetary system-digital money….the Nanon Dot Tattoo )to their goal of a

One world government with jerusalem as its capital under satanic leadership.
All nations that recognize the illegal stanic criminal entity named israel are part of the agenda.

and no man nor woman, old or young, living in poverty of in riches can buy or sell without having the Nano Dot Tattoo, the final “replacement” of the “green pass”……….on his hand.

the Nano Dot Tattoo….. a vaccination and payment “device” in one.

The Objective

You wrote a lot of nonsense here. couldn’t even pick any valuable information. waste of time.

Panthera Pardus

The traffic jams between Asia and Europe part of Istanbul are legendary, if you have been there then you know what I am talking about. The plan of the Canal is to slice Istanbul in such a way that a significant chunck of population will live on an island, surrounded by traffic jams.
No surprise that in Istanbul this project has zero support.

More interesting is the part of Water Supply, last time that I was there they still had water issue, including mixing salt water to perfectly potable water because otherwise there was no pressure in the acqueducts, apparently the canal will impact also that.

So not only is a prestige project which will burn billions but it is also useless

A lose lose propostion

verner

pipe dream, nothing else. he, erdogan, needs to sober up a bit and then deal with the jews in palestine. once and for all. together with Iran. they, the jews, have no place neither in the middle east nor aywhere else, maybe mars (lotsa stuff to steal and lotsa marsians to murder, all part of the jewish genome)

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