CIA Proposes Regime Change in North Korea, North Korea Threatens Nuclear Retaliation

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Originally appeared at TheAntiMedia.org

Less than a week after C.I.A. chief Mike Pompeo suggested that regime change in North Korea would be a good thing for the Trump administration, the East Asian country said Tuesday it was ready and willing to strike the U.S. with a “nuclear hammer” if that proves to be the Trump team’s agenda.

CIA Proposes Regime Change in North Korea, North Korea Threatens Nuclear Retaliation

“Should the U.S. dare to show even the slightest sign of attempt to remove our supreme leadership, we will strike a merciless blow at the heart of the U.S. with our powerful nuclear hammer, honed and hardened over time,” writes state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), quoting a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry.

Speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado on July 20, C.I.A. director Pompeo said it would be “a great thing to denuclearize the peninsula, to get those weapons off of that, but the thing that is most dangerous about it is the character who holds the control over them today.”

Continuing, Pompeo appeared to hint that there’s a consensus within Washington, D.C. that ousting Kim Jong-un is something that “ultimately needs to be achieved” in order to combat the North Korean nuclear threat:

“So from the administration’s perspective, the most important thing we can do is separate those two. Right? Separate capacity and someone who might well have intent and break those two apart.”

The C.I.A. director further stated that citizens of North Korea would be appreciative if Kim’s finger was off the nuclear button:

“As for the regime, I am hopeful we will find a way to separate that regime from this system. The North Korean people I’m sure are lovely people and would love to see him go.”

On that subject, KCNA wrote Tuesday that North Korea’s “army and people have never thought about their destiny and future separated from their supreme leadership” and that the “first and foremost mission of our revolutionary armed forces with the nuclear force as their backbone is to defend the leader at the cost of their lives.”

The comments come at a time when the mainstream media is reporting that North Korea could produce a nuclear-capable missile in far less time than previously estimated.

As Anti-Media highlighted last week, however, the second-highest ranking U.S. military official, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Paul Selva, stated recently that North Korea lacks “the capacity to strike the United States with any degree of accuracy or reasonable confidence of success.”

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  • FlorianGeyer

    Its the CIA that in facts needs a Regime Change.

  • Moussa

    I am surprised that North Korea is still alive despite CIA’s desperate attempts. One of the few countries in the world that has not been overthrown by the U.S.

  • John Mason

    Don’t think that NK is bluffing. Like someone having their hands in their jacket pocket, you can see it is bulky but can’t decipher whether it is a weapon or a packet of chewing gum. Sooner or later the NK is going to carry out its’ threats.

    • FlorianGeyer

      A missile on Wall Street would be welcomed by many :)

    • Alex Black

      I think your point is valid, but the question that is none the less correct is, what would be the best policy for the United States? If you take the position that military conflict is unavoidable, then you are forced to consider an early strike, before the enemy can perfect their missiles, with a likely consequence of significant loss of life in Japan and Seoul and an unclear response from regional players who may not like our initiative. If you consider the Chamberlain approach to North Korea, you could exercise patience and wait to see if North Koreans can be bought off, or waited out. This method also has risks such as the DPRK building weapons that can strike US main land with precision and inflict catastrophic damage on the U.S. and our allies.

      The CIA exists to consider the middle path, can we attack and not attack at the same time, can the head be separated from the body, will the body without the head of the DPRK be more or less dangerous? An interesting assumption the CIA operates on is that Kim Jong-Un is so dangerous that killing him is safer than not killing him. I am not sure there is much evidence for this proposition.

      Assuming North Koreans lives do not matter, and that we could deliver a first strike that would wipe out all of the DPRK retaliation potentials in one go, the question arises, what are the global effects of such policy? One possible effect is that every world dictator and his grand mother will pursue nuclear capable intercontinental missiles, as that seems to be the only guardian from a US strike.

      There is also the assumption that Mutually Assured Destruction is not a doctrine that could be used to deal with the DPRK, similarly to the strategy we applied with the Soviet Union until we starved them out. The criticism of this approach appears to be based in one of the several arguments. First, the DPRK is some mad, irrational regime and thus would not be concerned about their destruction, but their relentless pursuit of nuclear weapons suggests otherwise. Second, is that the alternative of certain war now is better than the potential of war later. Third, as time goes on, the North Korean ability to inflict destruction on the world increases, but our defensive capabilities remain static. Fourth, the overall impact on our relationships with other world powers, and even terror states will be improved by a signal that we are willing to wage preemptive war. Fifth, a war with North Korea could be won quickly and cheaply. Sixth, the potential of our enemies uniting against us is reduced rather than increased by the destruction of DPRK.

      Your answers to these questions will change your outlook on the prospect of such an operation.

      • Tudor Miron

        Alex, first of all I can’t agree with that assumption that Korean’s lifes (North/Sauth are the same nation) do not matter.

        Next, If we look closely…Is North Korea really dangerous? When was last time when NK invaded other country? Instigated a regime change?

        So who is really danferous for the world NK or US?

        • Alex Black

          Hello Tudor,

          I think you misunderstood my analysis as interpretation rather than advocacy. What you and I think about North Korean lives is irrelevant as we are not in control of the US military. The point of my analysis was to place ourselves in the shoes of people who seem to have a particular perspective so as to make a better analysis of their decisions.

          Whether North Korea is actually dangerous is a valid question. I think you are right to ask this question but do not confuse this question with the question of whether or not they DPRK will be attacked.

          Of course, the US is dangerous. There seems to be a policy of toppling regimes that are not easily controlled and do not possess the means of nuclear retaliation. I was pointing out the issues that are probably considered by the people making the call in the US, not advocating for the destruction of North Korea.

          • John Brown

            Alex Black you are really dumb, maybe even criminally insane like John Mc Cane who wants to have a nuclear war. You have no idea of what the risks are as you have shown here. The incredible stupidity of morons like you who think they are smart continues to amaze me. You think North korea can’t detonate one nuke over the USSA a couple of hundred KM in space or maybe even 3 to 5 of them??? Stupid!! North korea has already proven they can do that.

          • Alex Black

            John, thanks for your input, there is no need for you to comment further on my posts.

          • John Mason

            Don’t be a sore looser. Everyone has a right to their opinion, that is democracy, or have you forgotten that?

          • Alex Black

            I don’t find his opinion useful. That is just my opinion.

      • tigbear

        Your whole argument is based on the premise that North Korea will try and do a preemptive attack as soon as it makes a weapon capable of striking the US.
        Do you really think North Korea, a country of 25 million people, and maybe 10 nukes or so, is going to take on the USA, a nation of 330 million people, with 1,000+ nukes?

        You really think North Korea is THAT dangerous? Seriously?

        If you say, “No,” then you will have to admit this “North Korea is a threat” is just propaganda. Propaganda is very bad, especially war propaganda. War should be avoided at all costs.

        • Alex Black

          I think you misunderstood my analysis. The question is not whether the north koreans will attack. The question is of risks. There has been a preemptive war doctrine in US for a long time. I simply considered various aspects of this decision as it applies to north korea. You should spend more time considering reasoning, and spend less time on advocacy.

          • tigbear

            The statement I disagree with is this one: “This method also has risks such as the DPRK building weapons that can strike US main land with precision and inflict catastrophic damage on the U.S. and our allies.”

            The risks only come into play if the US decides to attack North Korea. North Korea has the right to self-defense as any nation or regime has.

            Not only that, North Korea ALREADY has weapons that can cause catastrophic damage to South Korea and Japan.

          • Alex Black

            Well, we disagree on this point. I think as of today, North Korea, hardly possess a risk to the mainland US. This couldn’t change as their missile technology improves and they become proficient and attaching large yield nuclear devices to these weapons. While it would be sad if South Korea, or Japan got nuked, you must understand that in American calculus, this is a significant, but secondary problem.

          • Tudor Miron

            Hello Alex,
            Let me disagree with your analyses of “their” thinking process. It seems that your version assumes that “they” believe in lies they feed the sheeple. Some may do but those at the decision making level are not that stupid (they are stupid enough for self distruction of humanity but thats another story) If we look at broader picture (in time as well) than it is clear that: US started a war against Korea. US failed to occupy all country but managed to grab a “half” of peninsula (established a platsdarm on the boarder with China and Russia). Some will say that CCCP occupied the other “half” but in that war American troops were fighting against Korean troops. Don’t confuse it with Koreans fighting Koreans. Many would agree that sovereignity of SK is far from 100% (similar to Japan, Germany, etc., etc where ever present US mil force is superior to locals).
            After one occupied a half of a country from some one than he considers that this someone is kind of upset and will want this half back :)
            That’s the way of thinking there is – very simple and down to earth.

            So in the eyes of US NK will always be a threat and “unfinished business”. For Koreans? We can only assume.

            This is a really complex situation created by GP (using “human hands” as always) – only unification of Korea will settle this (artificially created but very real for those on the ground) drama. But neither “half” is ready to surrender and that means there’s no happy ending as far as I can see.

            If you think that US establishment gives a hoot about possibility of nuclear disaster in South Korea, Japan or alswhere than remember that US already dropped two nuclear bombs “somewhere around there.” Those are very same “creatures” making desisions in US establishment and their moral level could only degrade (it’s actually stable for last couple of centuries :))

            Mark my words – what you see now (that fight vs Tramp) is merely a farse. GP is moving its center of power away from US (country formed by occupation of entire continent and wiping the native population out of face of this planet). “Local” elites try to fight it because they are assuming that privileges may go together with power :) but being subordinates to “global” elites they don’t stand a chance.

            All this farse is far from what is really important for human race – us people. If enough of us start to see broader picture and have enough self awarness to distinguish right/left/up/down than we have a chance.

            Some say about war in Middle East that “Biblical project” started there and will end there… We shell see.

            PS: Sorry for my broken English :) too lazy to spell check atm.

          • Alex Black

            Tudor,

            I disagree with your assessment about US grabbing South Korea. South Korea is certainly an ally, but we do not own it, and we arent exactly responsible for it, or Japan. With respect to unification of Korea, that is a pipe dream, and I do not want to discuss unicorns. I think the US does give a hoot about a nuclear war in Asia, as it would significant injure our own economy. The idea that US wants to take over continents and wipe out natives is a ridiculous notion, and we are going to have to agree to disagree.

          • Tudor Miron

            Thanks for your answer Alex,
            “he idea that US wants to take over continents and wipe out natives is a ridiculous notion” (c)
            Alex, I didn’t say that US wants to… I said that to create USA/Canada anglo saxons and french (mostly) invadors in NA and Spanish in SA came and grabbed the land. After that they commited complete genocide of native population (SA has mach more natives left than NA) and entire nations (some small and some not that small) of Indians dissapeared from this planet. Is this a ridiculous notion?
            “South Korea is certainly an ally, but we do not own it, and we arent exactly responsible for it, or Japan. ” (c)
            I have to agree with mr. Putin “USA does not have allys…they have vassals”. You don’t own SK and Japan but you keep there your military force that is significantly stronger than local mil. forces. Do you sinserely disagree that sovereignity of this country is somewhat compromised? Do you think that locals would prefer to be able to defend themselfs without US help? Do they have a choice?
            Alex, I’m not blaming you and I have lots of US friends (mostly collegues) – great people on individual level. Many realise that current illusion of democracy is fake… Look, it seemed that there’s a way to influence the governing once in 4 years :) Look what happened – they actually managed to elect Tramp :) Did he “drain the swamp”? Is it even possible for him to drain the swamp? Do you even have a say?

            World/countries are not ruled by presidents and executive orders – thats an illusion. World is ruled by “predictions” – images of future that either receive enough energetic support from people (mostly unconcsious) or don’t. World leaders (very few actually) that know it – use this prinicples of “conceptual power”.

            I understand that some of this ideas sound strange… but there’s a large factual and theoretical base behind it. If you wish so I can share a couple of links so that you can check that different look at “broader picture” of human history and current events. Something that connects the dots in space and time :)

          • Alex Black

            Your ideas do not sound strange to me, but I think these criticisms are absurd.

            I won’t debate ancient history with you about how the United States came to be and what is and is not legitimate. All history is bloody. Same with Russian History, some people come, kill other people, take their things and that’s history. The Indians! get the fuck out with that ridiculous bullshit. The Indians went into the churn of evolution, and they didn’t have gunpowder, and you know what happens when you show up to a gun fight with a bow?

            Putin is a great leader. I have much respect for him. The relationship between the US and her allies is complicated because the US is a super power. These countries are not US vassals but since we handle most of the worlds defense needs, the relationship is inherently uneven. There is nothing sinister here, it’s just the way the power dynamic works.

            I try to treat people as individuals and do not hold the sins of the Russians against you either. The fact that Americans, myself included, elected TRUMP is simply evidence that American people are overall peace loving. The positions he ran on were about domestic policy and de-conflicting our involvement in the world.

            Draining the swamp is a complicated issue. The swamp is deep, and sticky. They are also, well armed, well informed, well connected, etc. Trump never really had a chance. Can you really throw rocks at the US for our swamp? Consider the swamp in Russia, or any other place. Everybody has a swamp and it is difficult to drain. No people really have a say in their government, and that is probably for the best in most cases. I think this is a simpleton criticism.

            The World is not ruled by predictions, it is ruled by a few related people, who help each other get the right jobs. The swamp. And the swamp of every nation flows together into a mega swamp, that is deeper than most people have the capacity to realize. This debate we are having about who runs america or russia is very simple and doesn’t address anything meaningful. Who runs a country? Do you mean the military? the nukes? the banks? the schools? the church? the tv stations? the culture? It’s a complicated conversation that really has no general answer.

            None of your ideas are strange, but I think you are throwing some mighty big rocks from a glass house. I think before you criticize the US, you should think about your own swamp, and how much you have done to drain, or could do, or would do, or how quickly you would die if you tried.

          • John Brown

            You are stupid Alex Black. Today North Korea can orbit a nuclear warhead (it already launches satellites) over the central USSA and detonate it a couple of hundred kilometers above the surface of the central USA. The resulting EMP would destroy almost every single electronic device in the USSA. They only need one nuclear bomb to do this. All electricity production would be shut down for at least 6 months almost all electronics computers, cell phones etc. would be fried, cars, trucks etc. would not start, airliners would fall out of the sky. This is what the USA would do to Russia and vise versa, first in any nuclear strike to weaken defenses before the real nuclear bombardment starts. Only hardened electronic circuitry can withstand an EMP like this. The USA can’t do this to North Korea as it would be doing it to Russia, China, Japan, South Korea etc and Russia and China would strike back as would the US if it was done to them.
            The collapse of the electric grid, transportation network, food distribution, etc. would likely kill over 50 million Americans at a minimum especially those living in cities and the American racist supremacist Jewish government would cease to exist, it would be regime change in the USSA and worldwide economic collapse..
            Watch from the 2 minute mark to understand where all the power shuts down, cars stall, radios go off etc.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG2aJyIFrA
            The Day After (Attack Segment)

          • John Brown

            Part 1 You are stupid Alex Black. Today North Korea can orbit a nuclear warhead (it already launches satellites) over the central USSA and detonate it a couple of hundred kilometers above the surface of the central USA. The resulting EMP would destroy almost every single electronic device in the USSA. They only need one nuclear bomb to do this. All electricity production would be shut down for at least 6 months almost all electronics computers, cell phones etc. would be fried, cars, trucks etc. would not start; airliners would fall out of the sky. This is what the USA would do to Russia and vise versa, first in any nuclear strike to weaken defenses before the real nuclear bombardment starts. Only hardened electronic circuitry can withstand an EMP like this. The USA can’t do this to North Korea as it would be doing it to Russia, China, Japan, South Korea etc and Russia and China would strike back as would the US if it was done to them.

          • John Brown

            Part 2 The collapse of the electric grid, transportation network, food distribution, etc. would likely kill over 50 million Americans at a minimum especially those living in cities and the American racist supremacist Jewish government would cease to exist, it would be regime change in the USSA and worldwide economic collapse…
            Watch from the 1 minute 50 second mark to understand where all the power shuts down, cars stall, radios go off etc.
            The Day After (Attack Segment)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG2aJyIFrA
            By Dawn’s Early Light / FULL Movie (1990)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM-hcgv0J3k
            and the 13.20 minute mark of Dawns early light print out your battle plans before losing computers. Print out your battle plans before losing computers.
            Ironically I could see Trump making the call to Putin about the deep racist supremacist Jewish state trying to overthrow him and prevent peace by launching a nuclear attack against Russia and China.

          • Alex Black

            From your stupid comments, i have gathered that you not only lack critical thinking ability, but post apocalyptic idiot nonsense. I do not feel the need to censor you yet, but in the future, there is no need for us to have further interaction.

          • John Brown

            Yes Alex black you don’t like to be proven to be a warmongering psychotic fool. Case closed you lose! It wasn’t hard to do. It would be helpful if you had any since education. Do you even know what an Electro Magnetic Pulse is and what it can do? I met an idiot NATO advisor like you in University, luckily for the world the Soviet experts were even more stupid, but in the USSA today it seems to be very much like the Soviet Union just before its collapse

          • tigbear

            The threat is real. Read about it. The new frontier is a nuclear war fought with high atmospheric bursts, causing an EMP strike. When a nation like North Korea has few nukes and not long enough range ICBMs or ones without sufficient range, an EMP strike looks like an attractive possibility as a deterrent. The USA, which is highly advanced relative to North Korea, would not be able to cope. The more primitive North Korea would be able to cope better although of course millions would still die. North Koreans already live with electrical blackouts and shortage of power.
            http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/popular-mechanics-publishes-fake-news-north-korean-nuclear-threat
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9766e465f3f29e593a6dca21369c0ef4fd9537c31e607dcc7b8b44f4b5e20d46.jpg

          • Alex Black

            I am well aware of the threat. You are not aware of the countermeasure.

          • John Brown

            Well you are really showing how dumb you are now again Alex black. If the North Korean regime is going to be wiped out in any American attack that is the entire point of striking the USA isn’t it? What would they care if they get nuked when they are already dead?? If the NK leadership is going to be killed anyway why would they not strike back??? You think Russia would not strike back if the USSA launched a nuclear first strike?? Because the USA would follow up with more nukes??? Idiot!! North Korea is small it only would require maybe 5 USA nukes at most to wipe them out after that it is bouncing the ruble. If the USA used more than a few and even then it may damage Russia and or China with excessive fallout and do you think they would not then strike the USA with Nukes in retaliation?? I would say it is much less likely that the USA would nuke NK if NK launched an EMP attack in retaliation on the USA as it would not really be a nuclear attack no detonations in the USSA and the likelyhood of Russian and Chinese nuclear response if large numbers of their citizens are killed by fallout from USA nuclear bombs which would be very likely, making a nuclear response by them very likely.

          • tigbear

            I am talking about it as a deterrent. North Korea would not use an EMP as a first strike but if it’s attacked with nukes or an EMP strike, North Korea may choose to retaliate with an EMP strike. Always DETERRENT. Never first strike.

          • Alex Black

            I think you overestimate the value of this weapon, and underestimate the US ability to take it down.

          • John Brown

            Alex blackout. You are just totally stupid or insane making a fool of yourself. NK probably has about 80 to 100 warheads on missiles now. The question is how many are on missiles that can reach the US east coast etc and how accurate are they and are they hydrogen or just atomic bombs, how many of each? Do you even know the difference science dunce??
            Very likely NK can now easily nuke places like Guam, Okinawa, Hawaii, the US base in south Korea, any USSA base with 3000 km of NK.
            The USA missile shield is useless, to inaccurate, unless armed with nuclear interceptor warheads.

          • Alex Black

            It is less of a deterrent than you believe. The real deterrent to a strike on DPRK is the conventional artillery in Seoul. A possible intermediate range threat to japan, the total lack of a plan of what to do with the Korea after such a strike, not your doomsday satellite. In the event of a strike on the Korea, that satellite would drop out of the sky.

          • tigbear

            Interesting. I had thought of an EMP affecting South Korea but not Russia and China.

          • tigbear

            There’s disagreement about North Korea’s capability. One miscalculation and Alaska could be struck. Or even a city on the mainland. USA has to live with the risks, just like it has to live with the risks of nuclear strike from China, Russia, Israel and so on.

          • Alex Black

            I understand your perspective on this, and I agree with the notion that preventive war is a disastrous doctrine. However, the reality is that important people disagree with us, and to ignore their calculus is delusional.

          • tigbear

            That’s why I think South Korea (and Japan) are crazy. They must realize this – that they can be thrown under the bus if it comes down to the wire. They should be making all efforts to establish relationships with North Korea, instead of adopting a hostile policy. I don’t mean they should go to North Korea with tail tucked between their legs, but just try and normalize relations with it. Have the same relationship with it as they have with China.

          • Alex Black

            What if North Korea is building nukes to extort their neighbors? Should they comply? Surrender? What if they try to sell nukes to non state actors for cash? What if they process uranium for third parties like Iran? Should we just make friends?

          • tigbear

            Extort them for what? They get sanctioned for doing missile tests.

            “What if they try to sell nukes to non state actors for cash?”

            Then the USA should end sanctions if it has these concerns.

            Sanctions have had the opposite effect. They have made North Korea develop a business in selling weapons. Doesn’t have anything else other nations need, except weapons.

          • tigbear

            “What if they process uranium for third parties like Iran?”

            Would that be bad?

            Iran has the right to self-defense. Don’t start the thing about Iran using nukes preemptively. And anyway, Iran’s leader has said he’s against nukes on principle. He issued a fatwa against them. Which is more than Israel does. Israel actively uses tactical nukes against enemies.

          • tigbear

            “Should we just make friends?”

            Hostile policy hasn’t worked. All the drills … made North Korea more paranoid (and understandably so), and so it made nukes and ballistic missiles.

            So everything that USA has tried, mainly sanctions, threats, have achieved the opposite.

            The USA should try trade and opening up relations. Look at China. Now China is more capitalist than the USA almost. Isn’t that what the Zios want?

          • Alex Black

            I think Iran getting a nuke is not as bad as Al Qaeda getting a nuke.

          • Alex Black

            North Korea is the extorter.

            I do not see why removing g sanctions would fix these problems.

          • tigbear

            North Korea doesn’t get paid for making nukes. North Korea gets punished for doing that, with tightening of sanctions. Face it. North Korea is making nukes for survival, not for extorting South Korea for money. Gaesong, a big money maker for North Korea, closed down after the North did too much testing for the USA’s liking.

          • Alex Black

            Jung Un wants to make money by selling weapons, to the unpopular kids on the block. I see your point, but it’s simplistic, and you do not understand the regime mentality.

          • tigbear

            Who’s it selling weapons to? Iran, Syria and Yemen. These countries are using them for self-protection. If Iran didn’t have these weapons, it would have been invaded by now. Syria didn’t get enough weapons or make them like Iran does and look where it’s at. Yemen too.
            “unpopular kids on the block”
            Unpopular to who? Israel? EU? USA?
            North Korea isn’t selling weapons to ISIS. Maybe to Egypt, Pakistan and even UAE (rumored). Again, if the Zionist Axis doesn’t like it, reverse its policy and drop sanctions. North Korea will try and make money using other means. Being under sanctions is unpleasant.

          • Alex Black

            I am not concerned about Kalashnikovs, I am concerned about nukes. North Korea has been caught selling nuclear components to Pakistan, and if they develop this capability they will sell them to anyone. Your point about Russia and US selling weapons is well taken. However, you are comparing apples and oranges. The idea that a DPRK sells a functional nuke to Al Qaeda, should petrify any rational person. I get your ‘anti-American’ sentiments. However, these are legitimate issues that in fact pose a threat to the entire globe. What would your opinion be if a couple of Chechens nuke Moscow, or Paris? Who would you retaliation nuke? This is a dangerous situation and to pretend that the US selling Patriots or Russia selling t90 is in the same ballpark, isn’t even worthy of a debate.

          • tigbear

            Why on earth would DPRK sell nukes to Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda is more likely to end up with nukes from US’s stash (via Saudi Arabia whom USA has contemplated giving nukes to) than from North Korea.
            North Korea is on the side of responsible parties. It is on the side of Syria and Iran. The USA is on the side of destabilizers and terrorists and terrorist supporters including Saudi Arabia.
            Why don’t you discuss doing a preemptive strike on the USA so as to prevent a nuclear-armed Al Qaeda?

          • Alex Black

            For the money, how is this not obvious.

          • tigbear

            USA is doing it for money too. Why do you think it made a deal to sell $300 billion worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia?

          • Alex Black

            agree to disagree

          • tigbear

            North Korea doesn’t have to sell nukes to make money; it’s doing well selling non-nuclear missiles and weapons. Anti-aircraft missiles, surface to surface missiles, short range ballistic missiles – these things are in demand. North Korea sells mostly to allies. Has been a long term supplier to Syria and Iran. Without North Korean missiles, Yemeni Houthis would have collapsed a long time ago.
            North Koreans aren’t dumb. They won’t sell to people who can use the missiles against them. They don’t have any relationship with Al Qaeda. Why would North Korea fund Al Qaeda when they are allies with Syria and Iran?

          • Alex Black

            You make good points, I wonder if Langley will take your word for it.

          • John Brown

            Ya alon I would prefer Islamic State to Iran in Syria
            http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-i-would-prefer-islamic-state-to-iran-in-syria/
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB8lPZ6zxhA
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfl3vvsaeaw
            To Goyims on this board, if you don’t already, I suggest you study the Jewish Press – the ones based in Israel – in order to get a full understanding of what they routinely plan in respect to the Stupid Goyim. Don’t take my word for it, see for yourself. Nothing beats the confession.
            It is where I get almost all my info. You’ll usually see them admitting things that would never make it into the American or Western media, and if you’re not up on the Zionist, Jewish, racist, supremacist, empire, their rantings of hatred and racism against all Goyim and bragging of their murdering millions and millions of Goyim and their total control of countries like the USA,
            Britain France, German etc. in their global empire it can be quite
            enlightening, indeed.

          • tigbear

            If North Korea gives nuclear technology to Pakistan, it’s because Pakistan helped North Korea build nukes. They help each other with nukes. So what it doesn’t make Israel happy? The world doesn’t revolve around Israel. Israel has to live with the fact it isn’t the only small nation that has indigenous nukes.
            With North Korea’s missiles and nukes, the power has shifted more toward North Korea.
            The “North Korea can sell nukes to Al Qaeda” sounds like a scare tactic.

          • tigbear

            Are you aware that the USA was contemplating giving nukes to Saudi Arabia, the patron of Al Qaeda? This issue is still on the table as far as I am aware.
            http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/saudi-israel-officials-talk-nuclear-u-s-/index.html
            Israel obviously approves the discussion of it. Israel pulls USA Puppet’s strings.

          • Alex Black

            I am not a fan of any nuclear islamic states, at all. I am sure all sorts of discussion are had at higher levels. I see a huge difference nonetheless between nuclear Saudi Arabia, and DPRK that is willing to sell nukes to nonstate actors.

          • John Brown

            What non state actors has NK ever sold nuclear weapons to Alex Mossad Black??? Its the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction lies all over again. It is Israel by its own confession and its slave vassal the USA that are the center of terrorism in the world today and for along time, not NK, not Russia, China or Iran etc

          • tigbear

            And why don’t you mention Israel’s nukes? Could it be your concerns are fake, and you are just interested in preserving Israel’s hegemony, which you feel is threatened by North Korea’s development of missiles and nukes? Israel is already suspected of being behind Fukushima, and nuclear proliferation to Japan (and sabotage of its nuke weapons plant). Israel used tactical nukes in the 9/11 false flag attacks. https://apunked.wordpress.com
            Israel is the problem. USA should be worried about Israel doing another false flag on it to push it to go to war with some nation or other. North Korea just wants to be left alone.

          • John Brown

            No it should be a preemptive strike on Israel as it is Israel who confessed to running Al Qaeda and ISIS.
            Ex defense minister says IS apologized to Israel for November clash. Translation ISIS apologized for accidently attacking its master. One does not apologize for attacking an enemy.
            http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/
            Moshe Ya’alon’s office refuses to elaborate after alluding to contact with terror group You won’t see this on our heavily censored Jewish owned media.This should be front page news and on every T.V.
            channel. Where are the sanctions and Toma Hawk cruise missile strikes on Israel for this??
            They show this in Israeli media but if any media or politician in the Israeli occupied slave empire showed it or talked about it here they would be called racist, arrested etc. for talking about and reporting on the truth. Nothing beats a confession this time from the Israeli defense minister.
            Is there any doubt who the creators and masters of ISIS and Al Qaeda are??? Is the times of Israel and the Israeli minister of defense anti Jewish and against Israel for saying this???
            http://russia-insider.com/en/just-some-photographs-israeli-soldiers-hanging-out-islamic-extremists-syria/ri19253
            Just Some Photographs of Israeli Soldiers Hanging Out With Al-Qaeda in Syria
            https://www.rt.com/news/386027-isis-apologized-israel-golan
            Tel Aviv Pays Al Qaeda Fighters Salaries: The Syrian War’s Worst Kept Secret That Could Become Israel’s Nightmare
            Yes, Israel is supporting Syrian rebels, but this goes beyond cash and aid: Israel hopes the rebels will serve as a buffer against Hezbollah and a resurgent Assad, a strategy that could
            easily backfire
            http://www.globalresearch.ca/tel-aviv-pays-al-qaeda-fighters-salaries-the-syrian-wars-worst-kept-secret-that-could-become-israels-nightmare/5597339

          • John Brown

            Alex Dummy warmonger psycho black, why doesn’t the USA agree to a peace treaty with NK which the USA has refused to do and also agree to stop holding large scale exercises just across the NK border every year where they practice invading NK. That might be a start. NK offered to freeze its nuclear program permanently and did freeze its nuclear program while negotiating with the USA if the USA would agree to this, but the USA backed out. Would it not have been great if this had been done 10 or 20 years ago?? Let us all remember how many countries the rogue state USA the violator of international law has attacked and devastated in the past 15 years alone and how many millions it has killed. Who has NK attacked how many have they killed? Who is the aggressor?

          • John Brown

            Stupid Alex Black. NK is not going to export any nuclear weapons etc this is a big joke. What they will do is make treaties with other countries like Cuba, Venezuela, Iran etc whomever racist supremacist Jews want to attack, to protect them with an NK nuclear umbrella, for big money $, so all racist Jewish wars and extermination will end rapidly, there will be peace, this is what the racist supremacist Jews fear from NK. If Israel or its slave the USA wants to attack another defenseless country they will be defenseless no longer as they can make a treaty with NK, so that if the USA attacks any such country NK will destroy the USA and Israel with hundreds of Nukes. Think of it as an NK version of NATO the way Nato use to be in the 1950’s and 1960’s etc not the evil tool of the racist supremacist Jewish empire it is today

          • John Brown

            Yes you are 100% right tigbear

      • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

        The problem in your assertion is you forget both China and Russia have warned the US in this regard of any attacks since they would see this as an attempt to establish more US bases in the area. Then also consider the nuclear fall out would both invade China and Russia and would be a threat to them personally. The US would love to further establish bases since both China and Russia are economic threats to US trade hegemony and by that token we see the real reason for the rhetoric by the US.

        Does anyone think as stupidly as Pompeo does but trying to be rhetorical here is hard with the mindset of some in the US. The problem of this Crazy and unstable nation of DPRK is just a US media demonization and cooked up by Kooky Spooks of the CIA who like Israel have this paranoid bi polar disorder going on. Most of the media we do see is coming from the US spinning a tale to promote DPRK as an image of a rogue, yet we rarely see DPRK video footage other than just blind paranoid nonsense from the US and everybody else decides to make the same chant. Why it is always best to question the source and see how their biases formed in regard to the matter .

        The ever changing world has grown wise to propaganda and has been desensitized to it’s cause and effects . The continuation of following this type of mindset which media wants the world to follow is destructive to humanity and dignity. The brazenness of the rhetoric by the likes of Pompeo and his ilk seem to be on par with chaos being the order of the day. Them by using this rhetoric only choose to use the two Korea’s since this would keep the Asia economic trade region in uncertainty so as not to challenge US trade, by this token they also use it to disrupt the EU, ME, Africa economic growth and trade.

        They always choose destabilization as a prelude to economic chaos so US business’s can prosper to the point of global success. They seem to love to play the regions against each other to keep them from thinking what the US is actually doing.

        • Alex Black

          I think you wrote a long and interesting analysis that doesn’t address anything that I said in any way form or shape. I am not interested in conspiracy theories as to what the US is up to, I was discussing purely the logic for both attacking DPRK today, and waiting for such an attack for a later date.

          Pompeo is a neocon, what is your point? DPRK is a rogue regime. No doubt that the US has been overly aggressive with them, but to pretend that this country is France, or India is nonsense. The Koreas pulled the short straw in terms of the crappy history they had to live through, but that doesn’t change anything in my analysis.

          North Korea is not being destabilized for economic reasons, as much as they are on the Defense Department wish list of countries to topple because they have proven immune to pressure, economic and diplomatic.

        • John Mason

          Very well said, 100% on the mark. US unfortunately are under the false illusion that Russia, China and NK are weak. It is quite obvious that Russia, China and NK do not want to see the US fall over, hence their leniency in reacting to US aggression. However, US has stepped over the ‘red line’ with their sanctions and now the gloves are off, China, Russia and just recently NK has warned the US to back off, or else.

      • John Brown

        Electro Magnetic Pulse- While testifying before Congress in May, Peter Pry warned that a rogue state or terrorist could attack the United States with a weapon that would kill 9 out of 10 Americans “through starvation, disease, and societal collapse.”
        That fearsome weapon? An electromagnetic pulse. Pry, executive director of the EMP Task Force on National and Homeland Security, a congressional advisory board, described a scenario in which an adversary could detonate a nuclear device in the atmosphere over the United States, which would in turn generate an EMP that would cause catastrophic damage to the nation’s electricity grid, resulting in long-term, national power outages.
        http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/07/emp_threats_could_an_electro_magnetic_pulse_weapon_wipe_out_the_power_grid.html
        Top 5 Dangerous Places to Be When An EMP Takes Place
        Commercial jets will fall from the sky across North America. Nuclear power plants will go off-line. Hospitals will become death traps. Battles over food will be fought in the streets. And that’s just day one. Welcome to the EMP nightmare.
        Read more at http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/emp.html#dAdMdjBlKvGeZ7ko.99

        http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/emp.html

      • Jesus

        “””First, the DPRK is some mad, irrational regime and thus would not be concerned about their destruction, but their relentless pursuit of nuclear weapons suggests otherwise”””

        DPRK being a mad irrational regime unconcerned about their destruction, is sheer hogwash spun by CIA. Yes they are improving their delivery systems in view of US threats and sanctions. For every action there is a reaction.

        “””Second, is that the alternative of certain war now is better than the potential of war later”””

        That is what US contemplated after the end of WW2 with Russia, however, today US does not have the gumption or moral compass to fight an effective war, being afraid of casualties and possible political drawbacks at home. Most US provocations world wide are not approved by Congress as acts of war.
        Maybe DPRK understands nuclear deterrence better than US, I am sure they are fully aware of what exploding nuclear weapons would do to N. Korea.

        “””Third, as time goes on, the North Korean ability to inflict destruction on the world increases, but our defensive capabilities remain static.”””

        That is an idiotic narrative, why not say that about Russia developing the Sarmat ICBM while US retains 50 year old missiles in their triad. What was the matter with the MX system? And superfusing 100 kiloton Trident warheads supposedly according to the same knuckle heads, provided US with the first strike capability?
        Nuclear weapons are an equalizer and a very poignant reminder to delusional numb skulls that have a self confidence level synonymous to a balloon filled with helium.
        US Defensive capabilities will erode because of lack of brain power and excessive reliance on technology.

        “””Fourth, the overall impact on our relationships with other world powers, and even terror states will be improved by a signal that we are willing to wage preemptive war. “””

        Other world powers can absorb US first strike capability and then reduce US to ashes.
        Terror states? Like Saudi Arabia? Do you consider US a sponsor of terrorism?
        Your statements are naive in view of present day realities.

        “””Fifth, a war with North Korea could be won quickly and cheaply”””

        Says who? The same knuckle heads that had an orgasmic experience when they thought superfusing will provide them with the first strike capability against Russia by employing a small portion of their nuclear arsenal? First of all, N. Korean long range artilery and missiles can rain hell on Seoul and surrounding areas. Their submarine fleet properly deployed could sink US ships, carriers are not immune from torpedo attacks. These exchanges can take place after US tries to decapitate DPRK nuclear arsenal. Of course the potential for firing long range missiles exists, in it has a decent probability hitting Japan or Hawaii among other places.

        It is possible that Russia in order to “stick it to the Americans” as Pompeo put it, might be assisting DPRK secretly providing them EW equipment and Tor missiles that are very effective against cruise missiles.

        • Alex Black

          I appreciate your break down of arguments and your perspective, I think your tone is offensive as you are a bit of an idiot who can not distinguish considering an argument from holding a position. I raised arguments that are floated regularly, you nitwit. Now that you are done virtue signaling, go fuck yourself.

          • Jesus

            Who cares about floated points of view in the MSM and and CIA and elsewhere in the political swamp? I was not being offensive to you, I was offensive at the hubris and self perceived deluded primacy that permeates in Washington.
            Not being able to distinguish that, it shows me that you are somehow part of that political swamp.

      • John Mason

        Simple solution would be for the US to mind their own business, US Government to perform their duties to what they were elected for, that is, improve the welfare of its’ citizens, in the USA. Then your above scenario would become obsolete.

        • Alex Black

          We are in agreement about policy, but that doesnt mean we shouldn’t think out various scenarios.

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  • Kim Jong

    NK knows how to handle with u.s. bandits.

  • tigbear

    A war is too costly in terms of lives. If the USA is serious about bringing down the Kim regime, it would stop threatening it, and start trading with it. As the North Koreans get a taste of affluence, they will start to become more open. Reforms will follow. And it will become very capitalist. The same thing as what happened in China.
    Nobody understands what goes on in the government. If Kim Jong Un is killed by a missile, the second-in-command may order a retaliation, a missile fired at Seoul. No one knows. It’s just too risky. A sure bet could end up being a catastrophic war that costs millions of lives, and is fought with the constant anxiety that it could turn nuclear.
    Either side could start using tactical nukes. Not worth it. Just keep the status quo as it is. Right now, neither North or South want war.

    • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

      The problem is China is a economic rival and big manufacturer, where the US is just an assembler now. They are trying to keep any real economic growth in the region from happening ,this would impact the US as a trading partner.

  • George King

    I am sure that vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Paul Selva would not be able to walk or hide among the US civilians hit by the inaccurate nuke strike via suitcase or sub launch, “the capacity to strike the United States with any degree of accuracy or reasonable confidence of success.”

    Maybe Mike Pompeo can validate this theory with a personal visit to NK and walk among the citizens in a up front and personal poll on the streets”, “The C.I.A. director further stated that citizens of North Korea would be appreciative if Kim’s finger was off the nuclear button”.

    The US theater of the absurd has been so long running that it almost seems real, NOT!.

  • Carol Davidek-Waller

    Regime change….that works well, doesn’t it. Decades of war, trillions squandered, millions displaced and nations in ruins, nothing to show for it.
    Has Pompeo had his hearing checked recently? Nuclear threats to South Korea and US?

  • goingbrokes

    Saddam Hussein’s attack with WMDs was minutes away from Europe. Only they didn’t find any in Iraq… Funny how we always have to start personally hating a foreign leader. It is imperative that liberals in particular, develop a personal hatred of the regime to be changed – that’s when a war follows. Think about that. Why would anyone develop a personal hate towards a group of people they have never met and who have done nothing to their country. Nothing! We are led by the nose like a bunch of dumbos.