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No need to attack my intelligence, we detest the same things, we mind the same fight.

We could argue the meaning of ‘civilization’, but what I meant by that are social ethics, sanitation, mathematics, language both writen and spoken, science of agriculture, etc. All of which were brought about to the pacific by missionairies. Their mission was often much more about practical teachings than spiritual ones.

When they were executed or forcibly removed, most often than not you would have some local warlord coming to rule as the new despot, sending the country back to neolithic levels of prosperity, reviving dumbass pagan cults that idolized the sun and practiced ritual killing and cannibalism etc…

Well, Then You should blame Your own being late inventing Islam somewhere 650 later.

Very strange. Jews already had most of it written down for You incl. cooking.

Its difficult to argue about what caused the downfall of Rome. I agree with the point you stated, its certainly one of the many things that brought it down. There’s a reason why ‘byzantine’ became a word synonymous with crushingly bloated governance. But I strongly suspect, not from proven facts but rather from logical deduction, that Christian morality played a big part in how Rome dealt with foreign cultures squatting on its borders and ultimately sacking it. Is the reliance on ‘fedeorati’ in the army the result of economic downfall or a change in philosophy? I think both… To be “roman” lost its prestige.

Again this is a very personal interpretation, fed by my observations as a canadian living in a modern country, in a modern age.

That said, I think the ‘small’ details of spirituality can really change the attitude of an entire nation if the ideas become customs through generations. I believe Christianity softened the fighting spirit of the romans. It probably made them much more lax in regards to national integrity and in tolerance for alien, anti-roman cultures as well.

I say this because I’ve observed that attitude in the strongly Christian communities in my country. Although I respect the message of Christ, in practice I find it unsuitable with ideas of nationalism and preservation of a strong state and national identity.

But that’s allot of ‘ifs’. I am ready to be proven wrong.

Canada is the property of the Crown (City of London, British Empire). It came to be the same way the Roman Empire (and others) swallowed others: military conquest, mass-killing of inhabitants and/or mass-displacement and/or forcible convertion to the monotheistic religion of the conqueror. If you think otherwise, I invite you to ask the indigenous people of Canada.

Suggesting that Christianity softened the heart of conquering Romans is, I think, very Hollywodian. Christianity served as a tool to unify the people of the empire but also subjugated them under a Divine Being and thus under the say of the Roman Emperors.

That is not to say Christianity is bad and/or that Christian communities/nations are a poor example of society. I can speak for myself: I was born and raised (Maronite) Christian and while I don’t believe in the Biblical fairytales anymore, I still consider myself culturally Christian. I can attest that all Christian communities in Lebanon and elsewhere in the Middle East have always been the most advanced. Up until our civil war, Lebanon was mostly Christian, our currency was 2:1 with the US dollar and we were the Paris/Switzerland of the Midlde East. Lebanon stands today because of its Christians.

Taking a moment to understand the real origin of the Christian faith versus what the Romans and later others made it to be sheds tremendous light on why Christian nations, in general, been more advanced. It’s based on Reason and the very motive behind Jesus’ killing. I invite you to read The Humanism of Philo to see what I mean: (p.11-15 on the document, p.12-16 on a pdf viewer): http://wlym.com/archive/campaigner/7812.pdf

I am a bit confused as I don’t recall making a reference to Rome and the “Kingdom of Heaven”. Otherwise, I think the way we interpret the meaning of subjugation is relative: 1) empires that imposed the adopted monotheistic religion wanted their people to subjugate/submit to the rule of God (God controlled everything; man and nature) versus 2) humanists sought to master the laws of nature (and thus their destiny in it) as they considered themselves the creative extension of God. The article on the The Humamisn of Philo covers a great deal about it.

For a second I thought your annecdote was the Oka crisis but I recall they were Mohawk and not Iroquois. Either way, I read many stories like the one you experienced involving Native lands and private companies wanting them for all sorts of lucrative projects. It is truly abberant. As if enough wasn’t already stolen.
I understand you may not agree with it but religion was very much imposed on people. It once again boils down to what a religion really is and what the people make out of it.

I’ve noted the reading material by Matsuda. Thank you for it and your good words.

I had relatives who lived in Montreal a while back. They told me about the Oka Crisis and its famous stand off.

Their demonization in the Western media and reality diverge. I like many in Lebanon (including a large potion of Christians) support their military stance against the Zionist State. Without them, the south of Lebanon (up to the Litani river (something the Zionists have wanted since the early 1900s)) would be what the Golan Heights is to Syria today: occupied. And that, when our ancient land spread on the shore and in-land down to Acre, present-day Israel.

Je viens de le lire; merci pour partager. L’Algérie peut aller se recoucher.

Drôle de coïncidence. Je viens tout juste d’écrire un commentaire au sujet de Meyssan. Effectivement excellent.

Agreed, with the rise of Christianity among conquering empires, anyone out of line was killed or subjugated.

Being pagan, I don’t think Greeks imposed such totalitarian grip on others. The same goes for the Phoenicians who were actually very open to other’s beliefs/faiths.

Christianity wasn’t any different than Pharisaism (known today as Judaism) or Islam. As empires spread, so did the monotheistic cult/religion they followed.
I wasn’t talking specifically about the Pacific region but in general. Contrary to the Western-centric narrative, there is no doubt that all of whom were called “uncivilized” were all developped relatively to their evolution.

Your ending questions applies equally to the Greeks and Romans learning from the Phoenicians, Egyptians, Persians, etc which eventually led to the emergence of Europe (which is named after Europa, daughter of Phoenician King Agenor).

I don’t know what you’re trying to say with “the backside of the moon” and what buildings you’re referring to.

You are right about that. But we are some Years after Spains and Portugese divided North- and South America between them.

More relevent for me, how things are and should be connecting to 2019.

fuck off transgender Greek in skirt you as usual don’t have clue about anything

First of all I’m not atheist :) I just don’t need mediators (official church) that use people’s inherent urge towards divine sourse in order to control those people. Regarding Historically established Christianity opposing Judaizm – how about Old Testiment? Catholic church and their inverted cross over pope’s throne? There are many things I could tell you about this matters but I’m not in the mood for religeous disputes.
I will only add one quote “Many trust in God, but very few trust God”(c)

You kind of mixing Christ teachings with historically established Christianity as we have it now. What we have in the Bible is a twisted in many ways version which as I said promotes usury and slavery. I do respect your religeous feelings and I agree that Orthodox churche is much closer to Gods will than Catholic church. But it doesn’t change my understanding what Biblical project is about and that has nothing to do with God and Christ teachings.
Regarding 10 commandments – are you aware that subconscius mind doesn’t understand the worlds “No”, “Don’t” i.e. negatives? Biblical project handlers knew/know very well how complex social supersystems are governed.

Jaco, patience is not my strongest aspect but I will try my best. First, you are trying to exclude parts of my posts. I was saying that historically established Christianity is an export “for goyim use” version of Judaizm. What it means is that what we have now has little to do with actual Christ teachings. That’s my opinion based on knowledge. The fact that Old Testament is still included says it all. Reread it and pay attention to Deuteronomy 23 20 among other parts. Also I tried to explain to you the thing about 10 commandments and in which form they are presented but you ignore it. I will try to explain – if intentions were positive than it would say respect and preserve the life of others insteed of don’t kill etc. Subconscious mind doesn’t understand negatives – that’s a well known fact. In those ancient times very few knew about such social technologies What I’m criticizing is not about faith but about how it is abused in order to promote things opposite to actual Gods will. I’m not denying positive things about some (past and present) members of church and I’m not blind about terrible deeds of others. Things are not black and white but one should be able to see wide picture without being mental slave to rituals and dogma’s. It all comes down to personal conscience and level of awareness.
If it offends your religious feelings than I’m sorry – that wasn’t my intention. But that would not change what I know and understand.

We’re fine and OK :)
I would say that there are many more defending Russia here (me included). But there is a problem – often I see that due to personal temperament, desire “to be right” and other actually insignificant differences people that are on the same side start arguing and even insulting each other. That’s something that actual enemies (real “zio trolls” and their handlers) are very happy to see. It means that their “divide and conquer” agenda is working for them. That’s why I always suggest to look at larger picture and refrain from impulsive urge to answer seemingly offensive posts right away. It might be better to take a small pause, get thoughts together and bring a message in a way that brings understanding of our point and finds a way to reconcile the differences (I agree that some are irreconcilable but that’s happens rarely). There are some simply degenerate and some real enemies of humanity but most are normal ordinary people and we should find points that unite us rather than divide.

I think the winner is kind of Arameans partly inspred like someone like Hammurabi had a lot odf semilar inspired scriptts in the Aramean zone. They were like stories told from generation to genration with local modefications. Some scripts were popular and all over. Orthers were of a more local kind.

So the 3 religions was taken from that “Library” based on aramean scrpting. At the time of Jesus, he probatly most have spoken that languge, it said.

So Muhammed much later didnt get his versions mainly from Jews and Christians but from that Library.

Of course he did his own version. Fx they changed the ¨holyday to fridays as well as they in the first years prayed towards Jerusalem, where the chimney for him was too.

I dont see You are incoorect in Your version of jews. Its true Jews had hard times and instead of making more jews by birth, they a longer period were missionairies. Kind of.

Being a missionary having succes, You have to sell the best part of the product as well as telling the bad sides of Christinanity (and Baal).

By that version of mine, they would counterattack by possible modifications.

It was hard times in main Jewish part. The Jewish vasal king was a terible person killing even his wife, brothers and children in an unstabile enviroment.

Jew or not relles me, there were many kinds trying to find the truth in Governess as well as religion. We also had Johannes Baptizer now burried in hos own litle Church in Damaskus.

And it went bad – very bad – by Romans for bad and good reasons. Some might remember many jews were outside the area we see they are today. Many even was deported several times and didnt prefare to come back.

It can be kind of as today. There hardly was jews in Israel of today in the times of ottomans, they were in the cities and many was at the Balkans and by that in Konstantinople.

The socalled promised land for them was land, where they by hard work and knowæedge and education could live well – aprt from the poor conditions in Eastern Europe with the hardliner Catholics.

The most important things for sanes was, that the Pope wasnt the upper one anymore. We could behave as Country. That was supported well by tranlation of all religios scripts, so alt least the ones. which could read, could read that.

Thanks to Gutheberg as well.