Bucha Investigation Contradicts Itself, Confirms AFU’s Atrocities

What reports are you reading? Of course they are not interested in trench wars, which is why the artillery softens them up before they advance, hence the “slow pace” of said advance. But keep looking through your Putin-hater lens. Newsflash: Putin is not the one making the plans, his generals are and they know what they are doing.

RF and pro Russian reports. I’m not sure what do you mean by not interested in trench wars, since on all fronts both armies are in the trench war(both side are in trenches, using artillery on eachother, the slowest and most primitive way of combat, but the one which destroy solder mentally the quickest). Putin is the main commander as a president, and he overridden many plans already, one even publicly when Shoigu said to attack azovstal but Putin denied. Not a single plan or strategy can be applied without Putin’s signature, read about Russian law.

Where do you get this notion of trench war? 1914 called, they want their tactics back.

You read too much into Putin’s orders. Look at the footage of him giving the order to not storm Azovstal. It is quite obvious that it was somewhat a rehearsed appearance. He must be seen to give that order. But I bet you his general staff had advised him that it is no use and would be a costly exercise. In the end he made a foregone decision for the press.

Or look at it this way, the military advisors asked him to switch tactics: “look, this is bogging us down, binds to much man power, it will be bloody and cost a lot of good men their lives, just starve them out, they have nowhere to go, it is the wise decision, it will even free up a lot of personnel for the rest of the Donbass operation.” And he basically just said: “You’re right. Make it so.”

Let me stress again that Putin is not Adolf “Generalissimo” Hitler that interfered with the actual generals and micromanaged the war effort in WW II – look how that went down. Putin is not a military man and knows it. So he is wise enough to delegate the analysis and planning to the generals, who get payed to do this.

Rehearsed or not, it also allows him to show mercy to civilians, which might help his image.

Maybe, but at the time there was no talk about civilians in Azovstal IIRC. That came later. I don’t think he has an image problem at the moment, at least not in Russia. And this “photo op” was aimed at the Russian audience. Russians, I am sure, don’t believe the stories of “genocidal indiscriminate targeting of civilians” – such reporting is forbidden by law, for it is knowingly spreading false information aimed at discrediting the Russian military.

Lmao and you know all that how by holding Putin s coco in your Mouth 24/7. Let me tell you something just because you swallow his midget cum does not mean you know what his thinking. Now the russian generals have come forward with phase two objectives that go from transnitstria to kharkiv, and yes Putin just reverse an order from shoigu for everyone to see, what he s thinking os irrelevant thís is what he wanted to be show, those are facts. And i still remember the boys treatment he Gave to that FSB Minion sergey

Keep drinking that Kool Aid.

Wow, getting harder to cope with putins incompetency each day huh?

Keep blaming Putin for something he is not even involved with. The generals are the ones getting payed for the planning and conduct of operations. That they don’t go about this SMO the way you would like to see only proves that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Hey Disagree completely, there’s no conceivable scenario in which Russia gets “pushed back” as you put it, this war has officially been been going on for over 2 over months now and since it began, Ukraine has had very few (If Any) successful counter attacks. As long as the Russians can develop appropriate countermeasures it might be better for them to draw this out a bit. Russian equipment is significantly cheaper for similar spec sheets so even where they do have to trade it’s not an economic loss for the Russians especially against all these shiny modern missiles NATO is dumping into Ukraine, NATO is similarly paying an economic price in many fields that Russia can be self sufficient in if they aren’t already.

I would prefer, if this is drawn out, for it to be done away from the cities but this is an ideal opportunity to drain the west of their economic, military and human resources while simultaneously gaining real world wartime experience, first hand feedback on military equipment and a better idea of how much the Russian military needs to spend (both in financial and material terms) to maintain a war which will better inform the military budget going forwards, I would not be surprised if there is a fairly significant shift towards expanding and maintaining ammunition stocks and related logistics in the near future.

Sorry but I’m highly skeptical of this bullshit proposition that you have presented here, thank you kindly.

Thank you for you answer with some arguments and not just ad hominem attacks. It would help to look into this from the start, and assess Russian losses overall(recorded and confirmed). Russia lost at least 3000 vehicles, of which 500 tanks in just 2 months thanks to very bad strategic use of the same, crossing wide areas with no recon, using main roads on the start, etc. For example, Russia lost around 14k solders in the first chechen war, which lasted for over 2 years. In Ukraine, Russia lost up to 15k of solder in two months. This amount of losses this quickly are not recorded in military history since WW2. Second, Russia is not using any modern warfare tactics. Due to clear failure of armor and tanks, Russians are stuck in trenches, and trench wars are worst for the solder sanity and morale. There is almost no air support, and when Russia attempts air support we get dozens of videos of shot down Ka52 and Su34s due to bad usage of the same(they fly low as if they are hiding from long range SAM’s, while Ukraine is mostly relying on MANPADs that can only hit low flying targets). Russia is not using strategic bombers on positions of enemy trenches, but only artillery which is not precise and fails to do the job efficiently. As time passes, Russian economy will sink further, and Russian solders will lose sanity, while Ukraine can always send new conscripts to the meat grinded. This results in Russian solders ultimately losing their positions and being killed/retret. In shot, that is how Russia could lose east, actually this is the same way Russia lost the offensive on Kyiv and Sumy. And no, Russian army actually tried to take these cities on ground, it wasn’t a decoy or something like that, which is proved by the number of solders deployed(and killed) in these areas. Basically, Russia will lose because its using 19th century tactics while being decapitated economically from most developed nations.

The source of your claimed losses would be instructive, as I suspect you’re listending to the Ukrainian Minsitry of Truth via your perferred flavour of fake-news. The objectives of the feint against Kiev has been detailed well enough and often enough by now that to continue to insist that this was the main objective looks more like an exercise in convincing oneself than a persuasive argument. In case the memo never made it past the ministry of truth filters, the point of the feint and it’s rapid advance around and into Kiev was to apply political pressure, if there was an independent government in Kiev, they may have felt pressured to negotiate sensibly (e.g. finally uphold their side of the deal agreed in Minsk in 2015). Once that objective failed (becasue the clwns in Kiev are just puppets of Victoria NUlund and her group of megalomaniacs), the Kiev salient was maintained for a while to split the Ukrop’s defenses and to sow confusion as to where the important axes of advance actually were directed. In these objectives, the Russian army succeeded spectacularly as they were able to pinch off the Donbass cauldron, where the Ukrop’s army group Vostok was waiting at its start lines for an operation to invade and ethnically clense Donbass planned for early March and they were also able to roll up the south coast as far as the mouth of the Dnieper with token resistance, thus securing a permanent land bridge to Crimea. Air power has been doing its thing (this is evident by the videos shared across Telegram and the interviewed Ukrop POWs who declare that its Russian airpower that’s responsible for the most stubborn of the skid marks their underpants are now stained with), but the VVS doesn’t make flash video like A-10s flying over goat herders while going ‘brrrrt’ so perhaps it isn’t as theatrical as we’ve grown used to when ‘Murica is bombing the shit out of third world countries for the cameras? The proven attrition hasn’t been anything like as spectacular as you’re implying, indeed, take the example fo the Ka-52 dashcam taken on the morning of the assault on Gostomel airfield, he was finally brought down (controlled landing in a field) after having no less than 18 MANPADS fired at him. And there are still daily videos of Ka-52 and Mi-28 doing their handiwork, so tactical airpower does not appear to be lacking. As far as using strategic bombers on static defences in-lieu of artillery, I submit the only airfarce who ever wasted strategic airpower on such tactical targets was the USAF trying to cut the Ho Chi Mihn trail or bomb Al Quaeda out of Afghan caves, neither of which worked out terribly well. The Russian airforce is using its strategic airpower as it should (launching stand-off ALCMs from Tu-95 bears for example). The only time they’ve used ‘heavies’ as a show of force is dropping FAB-300 bombs on Azovstal (and a big bomb requires a big kite, like a Tu-22M) but chewing up airframe fatigue life bombing trenches, sangers and pillboxes is not worthwhile trade, not when one has artillery and thermobaric MLRS on hand in quantity. As far as economic wars of attrition, well Russia is winning that one handily too, which makes me wonder if the USA and UK wasn’t targetting Germany all along all along with these demented sanctions, and perhaps also themselves (one can’t ‘build back better’ with out first wrecking one’s economy). Basically Russia won’t lose, the only question now is how far west will the border move; my thinking is all of Novorussia will become part of the Russian Federation, but conceivably everything up to the borders of Zhitomir and Vinnitsia is possible. While in the west Poland is obviously looking to annex at least Lvov, but possibly all of Galicia (which could be a problem since all this ‘lethal aid’ is mostly sitting around Lvov where a resistance might gainfully use it. One would also be surprised if Hungary and Romania don’t reclaim lost territories or liberate speakers of their languages from the ubermenschen of Banderastan. It all really depends on just how desperate the west gets as the US republic implodes and the EUssr collapses, in the most petulent case, the whole lot might just end up smoldering (if ‘we’ can’t have it, no one can).

There is no capacity in the armed forces of the failed Ukrainian state to push back anywhere. The question is how much more territory will be lost by Ukrotardistan before the peace settlement. The Ukrotards have not conducted a single brigade-level counter-attack, anywhere, ever. It’s all over but the Ukrotard crying.

Oh I’m sure they could find an old lady or two to beat up somewhere.

I had this futile disussion with another zombie on another ‘news’ site a couple of weeks ago, in one ear, out the other. I’m not sure where you get these WW1 trench warfare or Russia is being beaten ideas from, but Donbass didn’t become Verdun over easter. It is fair to note that the Ukrops have spent the last eight years building monolithic static defences along the line of contact to hide inside of in case they were attacked by Donbass coal miners (that is when they weren’t busy shelling kids in cities). Naturally one doesn’t simply walk over defences in depth like that in some kind of suicidal Banzai advance, hence ADD may be triggered by apparent lack of progress. But by hiding inside static defences, the Ukrops have surrendered the initiative and made easy sitting targets of themselves. The reason the line isn’t moving forward in gamer friendly pace is because 60-100 thousand Ukrops are in the process of being blown to bits by Russian artillery and their replacement equipment is being blasted by air power. The notion that Russian soldiers would be getting shell shock in huge numbers assumes the Ukrops have any artillery left to respond with, never mind rounds to fire in quantity, but if you’d being paying attention you’d notice most of that is either gone or captured, hence these pathetic theatrical gestures from western ‘leaders’ to send eight retired howitzers from here, or ten from there, plus enough shelf expired ammunition for a four day fire mission. Assuming any of it got through, which it isn’t as people living in say, Lvov have been finding out when awoken by the bang of yet another arms shipment going up in smoke. That the Russian strategy of grinding up the Ukrops in the Donbass cauldron is working is evident in the quality of POWs being captured recently, groeing numbers of young or old conscripts with a week’s training (according to the interviews being shared online). Don’t worry, once the best of the Ukrops army and it’s hastily assembled replacements are ground up, the Russian advance will be fast enough even for attention defecit disorder sufferers to notice. And even then it probably won’t bother with Kiev, at least not until the useful parts of 404 are rolled up and the local populations get the chance to have referenda on remaing part of Banderastan in receivership or breaking away to greener pastures. Although according to Google trends the ‘I support the current thing’ crowd has already lost interest in Banderastan and started moving on to fretting about how expensive their champagne is now or whether Disney includes enough freaks in its messaging. But one must ask, why this obsession with instant sunshine and Kiev? No one other than the sock-puppets in Kiev, Brussels and Wasington, the presstitutes in the British Bullshit Creators and Clown News Network or the automatons who still swallow their daily ration of deep-state aprpoved bullshit give a toss about either nukes or Kiev – could it be projection? Perchance, such a diabolical false flag might seriously be the last desperate roll of the dice once it becomes obvious to even the most dedicated of non-thinkers that the smart-arsed Ukronazis and their regime change cheer squad bit off more than they could chew? In the meantime, the next show that should trigger more impotent rage among western woke whackers is what’s started brewing up in Transnistria; it would seem they don’t want to be left behind when Novorussia returns to its roots this year.