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Briefing On Azerbaijani Strikes In Nagorno-Karabakh On November 2-4, 2020 (Videos)

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The Azerbaijani military’s pinpoint strikes continue to inflict serious losses on Armenian forces in the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan shared on November 2, 3 and 4 several videos of recent drone and rocket strikes on Armenian forces.

The Videos show a series of strikes on 12 positions, gatherings and ammunition depots of Armenian troops as well as on the following military equipment:

  • 4 BM-21 multiple rocket launchers;
  • 2 T-72 battle tanks;
  • 1 MT-LB armored vehicle;
  • 1 Giatsint-B howitzer;
  • 1 truck.

The Azerbaijani MoD also shared a video of an loitering munition strike on a 2P25 transporter erector launcher of an Armenian 2K12 Kub medium air-defense system. The system has a range of 25 km. A similar launcher was destroyed on October.

The Azerbaijani military inflicted heavy material and human losses on Armenian forces using combat drones, loitering munitions and precision-guided rockets. Most of these weapons were supplied by Israel and Turkey, which will not likely end their support for Baku anytime soon.

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SevenMoons

This is about over very soon. Less than a week.

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John Brown

Yes 1 or 2 weeks at most then total unconditional complete Armenian surrender

Zionism = EVIL

I believe to save on casualties, the Azerbaijanis will not launch major infantry and armored assaults but intensify drone and artillery attacks and implement localized winter sieges. Most of the local Armenian NK population has now fled and a lot of poor old people have been left behind and even maintaining control of Shusha and Khankendi will be difficult under snow conditions. This conflict will last into next year.

John Brown

It will be over in a couple of weeks. The remaining area of NK controlled by Armenia is small. NK is not Afghanistan size and there is no local population to hide behind. A couple of guys may hide in a cave sure but its not a resistance. Finally Armenias Soros coup leaders don’t give a damn about NK. Its over before Christmas for sure.

Zionism = EVIL

Let’s hope so. The Armenians should have negotiated an end sooner. Their position is untenable and there is no need to waste lives over a lost cause.

John Brown

Yes there is no need to waste lives over a lost cause.

Vox Populi

Armenia is a victim of totally inept political and military leadership. Their leaders need to be charged for wilful negligence and treachery. They had been lulled into waiting for Russian intervention that never came.

Sergei Akhmadov

We Chechens will support Azeris 100%.

occupybacon

Which of you, the Kadyrovites traitors?

Sergei Akhmadov

Real Chechens.

occupybacon

Respects

Rhodium 10

yes sure there no more than 50 scout soldiers without with some armored cars…we have seen a week ago when you told that AZ was near the capital and 2 weeks ago that they have taken lachin corridor…

SevenMoons

We’ll see. But I do not see Artsins have any way to mount any counter-strike. If not one week, probably two weeks.

It is certain that Azerbaijan wants to take back all 7 occupied districts. The question is what kind of agreement or settlement they are going to reach with N-K itself. It seems Azerbaijan won’t agree to any independence or merge with Armenia. And those Artskins won’t want to live under Azerbaijan rule.

It is just a very sad situation. People lived together for so many years.

Ice Icegold

JUST BECAUSE YOU WRITE BOLD

Rhodium 10

AZ scout groups dont have any chance to take the capital and cities around…they just try to hit supplies route but Armenian forces have more soldiers, trenchs, know the terrain and enough weapons ( sniper rifles, ATGM) to expel them..

RichardD

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RichardD

The Armenians have fire control over the Hadrut to Shusha advance. Maybe they let occur to draw the Azeris into a kill box. It wouldn’t be the first time.

Zionism = EVIL

I don’t believe they have the manpower or artillery to beat back a determined assault that is coming. However, they have received substantial amount of ATGM. The Turks are pretty good strategic planners and may just hop scotch and by-pass fortified positions and gain control of surrounding areas and implement a winter siege. The Armenians have very limited options as their units are in penny pockets and not being supplied.

RichardD

The population of Artsahk is low. Without Armenian reinforcements and resupply they won’t be able to hold off the Azeri advance. The Russians can stop it and gain favor with the anti Pashinyan portion of the Armenian population. Whether they will, or are, is unknown. The Atrsahks are using advance Russian stealth ecm recon drones for directed heavy weapons fire and probably anti drone work. So they’re getting them from somewhere.

Zionism = EVIL

Georgia I believe. Indirectly Russia.

Random Dude

Red blue areas mean there is no confirmation on who controls the area. If you are looking for areas under Armenian control check the pure red areas.

RichardD

Do you have a link for the map source?

Zionism = EVIL

I have posted the lastest map in easier to glance colors at the top. About 22% of NK is in Azerbaijan hands.

RichardD

Do you have a link for the map?

Zionism = EVIL
RichardD

That looks like a zioCIA site to me. If it’s the run by the same people who run the Syria Live Map site.

Zionism = EVIL

People are tweeting a lot of their maps too. I think it is a US funded site, but some of their maps are recent. The battle lines have remained quite static for the past 72 hours and even artillery exchanges are limited. Maybe they are all waiting the outcome of US elections :)

RichardD

The Azeris are coming up roads that are easily ambushed with infantry and heavy weapons. They’re kill boxes. Much of the rest of that area is impassable even on foot. Showing those areas under Azeri control when they’re vacant and inaccessible isn’t accurate.

What’s missing from the reporting is troop strength. It’s difficult to make assessments without it.

Ice Icegold

You said exactly the same thing last week ? you are not reliable…

Smedly

And he said that two weeks before that! pffft!

Porc Halal

Maybe he (SevenMorons) is just a glitch in the program…

occupybacon

I don’t want to be cynical toward Armenian’s but I can’t hold it. They showed an artilery strike on Azeris and even gave a name to that opperation. If Azeris would give a name to each drone strike, they would run out of names and I would send my name to Aliyev to put a small logo on footage. Like a starbucks cup.

Zionism = EVIL

Let me give you kids a true picture of whats going on based on real time info and Iranian G-2 assessments. Iranian information is the most accurate as it is playing a peacemaker role and in touch with all the parties. The total area of Azerbaijan and NK under illegal Aremnian occupation including the 5 disputed districts is 8, 810sq kms. So far all the hyperbole and claims aside, this is the true situation:

According to the latest official information, 2618 m2 km has been reoccupied by Azerbaijan in 35 days of fighting..

This is 22% of the occupied areas or 3% of the country’s territory. Of the 900 occupied settlements, 209 were retaken and 691 remained.

4 cities, 5 settlements and 200 villages were liberated from the occupation. The two major cities Khankendi and Shusha have not been retaken, but are under artillery range and attack. The southern suburbs of Shusha are under attack, but have been reinforced by a substantial Armenian force that received new weapons, including ATGM via Georgia.

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RichardD

N-K has never been Azeri, it’s always been populated by Armenians. Yes they took the 7 buffer zone districts and ethnically cleansed them and need to give them back. The Azeris have very little, bordering on none, support for their claim to N-K. They need to be stopped and the Madrid principals implemented:

The support for the Azerbaijan claim over N-K independent of the 7 buffer zone districts hasn’t been put to a UN vote.

Abstention votes mean that they don’t support the resolution. Azerbaijan couldn’t even get 20% of UN members to support it’s “internationally recognized” borders. That doesn’t look like much real politic recognition to me.

None of the UNSC P5/6 supported the resolution. France, Russia, and the US voted against it. I’m assuming that the Chinese abstained, and the British abstained citing:

“United Kingdom. According to Lord Howell of Guildford, his country abstained from voting “as the resolution did not take into account the Madrid Principles or Minsk Group process”.”
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– United Nations General Assembly Resolution 62/243 –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_62/243

The Madrid Principles and Minsk Group process are essentially recognition of N-K as Armenian. This is what the UNSC P5/6 and most of the UNGA support. Even if it hasn’t been put to a vote. Which is why the Azerbaijan resolution received so little support.

“In July 2009, within the framework of the G8 summit in L’Aquila, Italy, the three leaders of the OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chair countries, Medvedev, Obama, and Sarkozy, released a statement urging the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan, Serzh Sargsyan and Ilham Aliyev, to “resolve the few differences remaining between them and finalize their arrangement on these Basic Principles”.[23]

According to that statement, the Basic Principles for the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are based on the Helsinki Final Act (1975) principles of Non-Use of Force, Territorial Integrity (of Armenia, not Azerbaijan), and the Equal Rights and Self-Determination of Peoples.[23]

The above-mentioned document also revealed six key elements for the settlement:

1. return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control;

2. an interim status for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance;

3. a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh;

4. future determination of the final legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will;

5. the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and

6. international security guarantees that would include a peacekeeping operation.

At the same time the OSCE Co-Chairs urged the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan to resolve the few differences remaining between them and finalize their agreement on these Basic Principles, which outline a comprehensive settlement.”

– Madrid Principles –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Principles

Great Khan

hahahaha Armeni Kaputnen….you horseshit mamtu…..

RichardD

You’re welcome to try to disprove it.

Ice Icegold

ghjkkknvfhhhgggg

Whacko

New footage of Azerbaijan soldiers inside Merdinli village in Fuzuli District . This village has been under the control of AZ forces for 2 weeks
https://twitter.com/i/status/1324100813611032582

Smedly
Proud Hindu

So what? Turkwy can gather manpower from a lot of countries.Can Armenia do the same?I dont think so.

Smedly

Your logic makes no sense. Already there is uproar in Syria over the number of dead. One of the more famous ones is commander of the Sultan Murad :-)

Their best offerings are now dead! The blitz failed, had this been over in a week like they had hoped maybe you might have a point. But now it is 40 days and the entire world knows! All sorts of issues have crept up, not to mention France and Austria!!!!

This sneak attack failed, and now the dead are piling up. The stench in the air for miles. In fact we are calling this Operation Rotted Corpse, ORC for short.

You sure you Hindu and not another Turk?

Proud Hindu

Doesnt matter who i am.Yes im a hindu and im talking logically and not taking anyones side.Remeber in war there are no rules.

Smedly

Logically and not taking sides? hmmm Pakistan is involved but India is not taking a side. Unless Armenia finishes this, this will come around your part of the world. Now Pakistan can call on it’s allies as Pakistan helped and when the next war comes about with India they can count on a lot of support.

Please stay safe, and don’t take any side. Just don’t tell me you are wise and logical again you fail!

Zionism = EVIL

Sonny, the Chinese can wipe out India in less than day, so stop giving druggies advice LOL

Proud Hindu

On what basis do you say that?Why havent the chinese taken Arunachal pradesh ffrom us then?The Chinese dont have combat experience thats why they are scared.BTW we just captured more territory.Have a look at this link.Maybe you will be less biased towards the Indians.
Edit:I dont know why but im not able to post the link.Just google india captures territory arunachal pradesh.

Zionism = EVIL

I kid with you guys, but really there is no need for an Indian-Chinese war which only suits the Zionistcunts and Americunts. There is a good article in Asia Times which basically backs up my argument. It is written by a pretty smart Indian.

Why manufacturers are not rushing from China to India

Glowing predictions by Modi and others of a mass exodus of US firms

from China to India have not come true – for good reason

https://asiatimes.com/2020/11/why-manufacturers-are-not-rushing-from-china-to-india/

Whacko

Armenians make footage of their own soldiers shot dead by Azeris drones.

Smedly
Whacko

The identities and possessions of the Azeri soldiers were not proof that they had been captured or killed.

Smedly

LOL yea right! They volunteered to mail their ID’s to the Armenians so they could make this video for you.

FUCKING RETARD!

Vox Populi

Ease up on the gratuitous insults and post logical arguments. This war has been a disaster for Armenian military.

Smedly

Hey Pizano you did not get the logic of mailing their ID’s? Your this dense?

The only disaster has been for the Azeri side. PIG FOOD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hxrTwMMys

Zionism = EVIL

The Armenians are one step more advanced than Baghdad Bob. Most of their claims are totally insane. Like they have destroyed 800 Azeri tanks, while the whole inventory is barely 575 MBT, mostly T-72.

Smedly

Armenians are counting APC’s as well as MBT’s you Retard! The Armenians are reporting accurate numbers.

Wargonzo says otherwise!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Z5iH8watI

Zionism = EVIL

Don’t be mad junior, the Azerbijanis barely have 200 ex-Soviet real APC, a lot are reinforced Turkish, Zionist and South African jeeps. So you need to grow up.

Smedly

Dick for brains, just a simple search on the web lists the following publicly available info. Something you did not even bother to check. That is why you have a dick instead of a brain!

100 T90’s
470 T72’s
95 T55’s
100 BMP 3’s
30 BMP 2’s
43 BMP 1’s

I am not counting ever single bit of armor listed. It just proves the numbers reported are accurate and all open sources. Witch makes you claim baseless and I reiterate you have a dick for a brain.

Zionism = EVIL

Calm down kid Wikipedia is worth wiping arse with. Meanwhile in the real world, Iran has developed a revolver like automated solid fuel missile launcher. Now that is real weaponry and serious firepower. Enjoy, drink cool aid and chill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOSdSCWb4w8&feature=youtu.be

Zionism = EVIL

That is an armored Ford Ranger from Oshawa plant in Canada, so not really an APC. I built a better dune buggy when I was teenager.

Smedly

The point is the armor is running low. This is what is being tossed into battle. A week ago there was a batch of BTR’s 70’s.

Random Dude

What happened to your recent photo and video posts. Don’t see them much.

Smedly

I’ve been sending them to your mom, you probably seen this one already.

Anana Skikim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXD-FNitlNE

Random Dude

She also haven’t received them. Could it be that the moderator deleted them. Awwww. Even website are against Armenia. Bhu hu hu.

Smedly

If there is a website that is not Turkish backed is against Armenia that would be a first. A little bird told me secretly if not overtly most support Armenia. Only idiot toork think the world is on their side. This is a genetic flaw, but the overwhelming videos of piles, and piles and dead makes sharing with you in a bit difficult, however it is not my top priority to keep your entertained. To make you look like an ass would be a small priority but you are doing a fine job of it yourself, it hardly needs my help.

Anana Sikim

Random Dude

Let the whole world support you. Is that going to change anything on the battlefield? No.
Remind me how did the brave, invincible, ancient Armenian forces destroy Azerbaijani troops that they are next to Shusha now:)))))?????

Smedly

Here is another of your brave ones…LOLcomment image

Lieutenant Colonel Rafael Akhadov is one of the best soldiers of Azerbaijan killed. Maybe we should have let him live, he was more use to us alive than dead. He was a disgrace to the uniform and shows what the Azeri army is made of stupid perverts who can’t fight. Just look at him!

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Random Dude

I don’t get it. Whats strange here? Armenian officers don’t have penises?

Smedly

For one they have bigger penises, second they don’t take selfies like this idiot. Like I said we should have kept him alive he was more use to us that way…LOL

Random Dude

Ok. So if he takes selfies, what does it imply to?

Porc Halal

Apparently azeri soldiers are acting like chinese tourists…

Proud Hindu

Turks are a warrior race gotta admit that.Armenians look like spoilt children in front of turks.

Zionism = EVIL

Turks are a NATO military and have extensive combat experience. They control the skies. Armenia is a small country that put all its eggs in Russian basket and lived in hubris for 25 years. BTW, why have the Americunts sent India rotten high mountain gear that stinks. It is quite insulting. Don’t fall for the Zionist trap like poor Armenian did.

India government bought expensive cold-weather gears and suits from US, and supply them to the Indian soldiers stationed in LAC confronting China.

But soldiers who received the US weather suits complained that these
suits and gear are second-hand, have terrible body smells and some even have holes, Indian soldiers have refused to wear them as most are oversized for NATO soldiers who are on average 5 inches taller and 50 lbs heavier that smaller built Indians.

The Indian opposition parties are questioning why India cannot even make their own cold weather suits and has to resort to discarded second-handed US donated high mountain combat gear.

Proud Hindu

Its all geopolitics.We have bought them to please the Americans and gain their trust so that they will support us if a war erupts.Im no fan of America but as they say an enmy of my enemy is my friend.

Zionism = EVIL

There are a few good objective articles in Asia Times written by ex-Indian diplomats, you should read them as you appear to be becoming more mature.

M.K. Bhadrakumar articles on Indian folly of blindly getting drawn into a suicidal conflict with China are quite accurate. The stupid arsekissing Australians are doing the same and their deadbeat economy is being wiped out. It a a new world out there. The so-called Quad is a disaster for India.

Australia getting burned by its anti-China policies

Canberra chose to play with fire by targeting Beijing, with predictable results

occupybacon

The little green from Crimea didn’t complain about the sizes. Order is order :)

Zionism = EVIL

Also better technology, their drones control the skies and backed up by modern F-16 which dominate the airspace.

RichardD

Their drones only control the skies because the Armenian military isn’t providing air defense that they easily could.

Zionism = EVIL

Exactly, Armenian strategy is perplexing. They also have SU-30 but never used them.

RichardD

It’s not perplexing. Pashinyan is a traitor.

Zionism = EVIL

I would agree with that.

occupybacon

Pashinyan, if he was ordering to his generals to not use some advanced weapons, we would know by now, as they would turn against him.

An touchable reason could be that Russia and everybody from UN officially considers N-K as part of Azerbaijan, so that would be official invasion of Armenia on Azerbaijan teritory.

RichardD

The Armenian military is obviously being ordered to stand down. So far Pashinyan is getting away with it.

Almost no one considers N-K part of Azerbaijan. It’s the 7 buffer zone districts that are recognized as Azeri.

This is what the international community recognizes:
comment image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Principles

occupybacon

From what I know nobody recognise N-K independence, neither Russia, so openly declaring war to Azerbaijan would prevent Russia to defend Armenia against Tuekey.

RichardD

Yes and no. N-K doesn’t have recognition. But most feel that it should. It’s the Azeri position that’s obstructing settlement.

Russia is within It’s rights to open relations with an isolated non UN member fully operational political entity administering territory. They already have that in numerous places.

Attacking the Azeri force and pushing it out of the 7 district buffer zone would put Russia in the position that you describe. Russia obviously isn’t going to do that. And doesn’t need to do that to achieve the Madrid Principles objectives. With the possible exception of limited activity for the security corridor creation.

Providing the Artsahks direct support within N-K to secure it from falling to the Azeri advance to quell the violence. Wouldn’t violate the core objectives of the Madrid Principles. Using the right of self defense to justify use of force as an overarching principal negating the non aggression framework of the Madrid Principles. Provided that it is proportional to the force being repelled and isn’t excessive. It’s the Azeri aggression that’s violating the Madrid Principles and the 2008 UNGA resolution.

I haven’t read it. But I’m not aware of a conflict of interest clause in the Armenian treaty authorizing Russian troops in Armenia. That would prevent a Russian military presence in N-K. As part of implementing the Minsk Group Madrid Principles. Of which Russia is a Minsk Group co-chair. Which Armenia supports.

The Azeris would raise objections. But they’re the ones violating the 2008 UNGA resolution and Madrid Principles, not Russia. So if Russia opens direct relations with the Artsahks and provides sufficient support to keep the Azeri advance out of N-K and the security corridor. The Azeris have no one to blame but themselves.

occupybacon

“They already have that in numerous places.” they did that when they were poor, not so dependent of trade with the EU like today and the US were busy with other wars. Anyway they did it for Transnistria, Osetia, Etc places with Russian minority or at least speaking their language. They won’t risk sanctions for other nations. USA broke the international law in Kosovo but it was a total different economic and geographic situation back then.

RichardD

Your reply doesn’t make a lot of sense. The US and Euros on on board with N-K sovereignty. It’s the 7 district buffer zone ethnic cleansing and occupation that they have a problem with. They’re unlikely to sanction Russia over supporting the Artsahks in N-K.

Russia is supporting the eastern Libya government. The Russians don’t have to formally recognize N-K sovereignty to establish relations with the established government there and provide it support. Either overtly, clandestine, or both.

If the Orlan-10 Russian stealth ecm recon drones that are being used in Artsahk according to a recent SF article are being operated by Russian specops in Artsahk. The Russians are already operating there.

N-K has never been Azeri, it’s always been populated by Armenians. Yes they took the 7 buffer zone districts and ethnically cleansed them and need to give them back. The Azeris have very little, bordering on none, support for their claim to N-K. They need to be stopped and the Madrid principals implemented:

The support for the Azerbaijan claim over N-K independent of the 7 buffer zone districts hasn’t been put to a UN vote.

Abstention votes mean that they don’t support the resolution. Azerbaijan couldn’t even get 20% of UN members to support it’s “internationally recognized” borders. That doesn’t look like much real politic recognition to me.

None of the UNSC P5/6 supported the resolution. France, Russia, and the US voted against it. I’m assuming that the Chinese abstained, and the British abstained citing:

“United Kingdom. According to Lord Howell of Guildford, his country abstained from voting “as the resolution did not take into account the Madrid Principles or Minsk Group process”.”
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– United Nations General Assembly Resolution 62/243 –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_62/243

The Madrid Principles and Minsk Group process are essentially recognition of N-K as Armenian. This is what the UNSC P5/6 and most of the UNGA support. Even if it hasn’t been put to a vote. Which is why the Azerbaijan resolution received so little support.

“In July 2009, within the framework of the G8 summit in L’Aquila, Italy, the three leaders of the OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chair countries, Medvedev, Obama, and Sarkozy, released a statement urging the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan, Serzh Sargsyan and Ilham Aliyev, to “resolve the few differences remaining between them and finalize their arrangement on these Basic Principles”.[23]

According to that statement, the Basic Principles for the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are based on the Helsinki Final Act (1975) principles of Non-Use of Force, Territorial Integrity (of Armenia, not Azerbaijan), and the Equal Rights and Self-Determination of Peoples.[23]

The above-mentioned document also revealed six key elements for the settlement:

1. return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control;

2. an interim status for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance;

3. a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh;

4. future determination of the final legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will;

5. the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and

6. international security guarantees that would include a peacekeeping operation.

At the same time the OSCE Co-Chairs urged the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan to resolve the few differences remaining between them and finalize their agreement on these Basic Principles, which outline a comprehensive settlement.”

– Madrid Principles –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Principles

occupybacon

Your comment is so long, my poor ass android crashed at point 6.

“If the Orlan-10 Russian stealth ecm recon drones that are being used in Artsahk according to a recent SF article are being operated by Russian specops in Artsahk. The Russians are already operating there”

Even if that would be the case, that couldn’t stop the wave of drones that wipe everything that moves. And yes, Russia is supporting Armenia as much they support Lybia’s LNA.

But they won’t put the official boot on the ground that is required to stop an eventual ethnic cleansing.

Unlike other wars I don’t see the columns of trucks with refugees, even here, on SF. Those would be required for public oppinion to accept an eventual humanitarian intervention….

RichardD

The Russians don’t need to put the official boot on the ground to stop the advance. Though I wouldn’t rule it out.

Some air defense upgrades and precision guided artillery and artillery rocket upgrades capable of taking out heavy weapons and troop formations would probably suffice.

occupybacon

Their toys are made for larger war scenes, like theie country, in Idlib, a small piece of land, they couldn’t do much. It’s 3 years since they try to take it.

RichardD

Idlib has been reduced by 50%. The Turks will leave when the US does. The Azeris don’t have to be pushed back. They just need to be stopped. With terrain on the Artsahk’s side. That’s very doable.

occupybacon

50% In 3 years….with total aerospace dominance. In that time Russia lost and regain a teritory 100X larger without air dominance in WW2.

RichardD

You’re getting off topic.

The Turks pushed the US south and opened up the NE to the Syrian government coalition. They’re a net positive after having been a net negative.

occupybacon

Trump promissed to retreat from Syria, USA didn’t get pushed. Anyway USA control large portions of land outside the country, Russia doesn’t, it’s too expensive for them and that’s the main reason N-K it just not worth, it doesn’t have the natural resources to compensate a military intervention that’s pretty expensive.

RichardD

You should be aware that what really happened was that Trump never carried through on the withdrawal. And the only reason that the US withdrew was to get out of the way of the Turkish invasion. Which resulted in the Kurds asking the Syrian government to come back into the NW to hold back the Turk invasion.

occupybacon

Lol, are you living in Turkey? Cause only Erdogan could say Americans ran away from the mighty Ottoman.

RichardD

If you disagree, then you’re welcome to post proof otherwise.comment image

occupybacon

But they didn’t evacuated because were surprised by the Turks, Trump had this deal with Erdogan. Ofcourse some MSM are upset and twisted the facts as they could. But nobody with half of brain can imagine the Turks attacking US army and Americans running away for fearing the Turks could kill them.

RichardD

The US is allied with the Kurds. They didn’t want to get caught up in the fighting. So they pulled back US forces from the conflict zone.

occupybacon

And you believe Turks would have attacked the US army in Syria, heh? Boy, that would have triggered a wave of American patriotism way stronger than 9/11.exactly what the war industry would need for a full scale hot war.

RichardD

The US didn’t want to get caught in the middle of it. With US forces as allies of the SDF getting cut off and surrounded by Turk forces.

occupybacon

I agree, but I don’t thin that’s the main reason. US keeps a limited presence in Syeia and that region was not important for them. If it had a significant resource of oul, they would prefer to brinf more troops than retreating.

RichardD

The solution is for the Azeris to grant N-K sovereignty along the lines of the Madrid Principles in exchange for the return of the 7 district buffer zone.

occupybacon

Looks like the drone solution is much faster and reliable for them, don’t you think?

RichardD

So far it hasn’t been. If the Artsahks don’t get some help. That may change.

occupybacon

It’s a bit too late to hope.

occupybacon

They have 4 SU-30. There are more F-16 on Azerbaijan teritory, N-K is a small piece of land, the Armenians wouldn’t do more than they do with artilery, on the ground, but the airplanes would be flanked by the Turkish F-16 from North and East.

Great Khan

Turk STRONK,,,,,,capture INdia,,,hahhahaa kaputenheimer,,,,,

Proud Hindu

Try it dont talk.We have been through many wars

Willing Conscience (The Truths

Everyone seems to be assuming the Azerbaijanis are going to do what everyone expects they will, which is try to liberate all of Nagorno-Karabakh, but is that the only possible objective they have in mind, or could some other objective be the real reason they’ve pushed so hard so fast, mmm.
Lets slow down and have a good think, let’s take another look at the map, see where they are and where they could possibly move to next, and we’ll also include another factor as well, Armenia itself becoming involved in the hostilities.
With all the Azerbaijani shelling of Armenia proper I can’t help but to think the Azerbaijanis are trying to provoke Armenia to directly become involved in the hostilities, and if they are is there a reason behind it.
I haven’t been following this conflict so I’m just taking some guesses now and simply wondering aloud, so I’m not predicting anything at all.
I quickly checked the maps and the Azerbaijanis political relationships with their neighbours and found out Azerbaijan itself is split in two, they have that tiny little autonomous enclave called Nakhchivan bordering Turkey [just barely], and the country proper. That got me to thinking, a country split in two and Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh are the only thing dividing them, mmmm, and Turkey forcibly defended the Azerbaijanis in Nakhchivan [Iran mobilized too] back in the 90’s, it’s getting interesting.
If Armenia were to become directly involved in this conflict could that give Turkey and Azerbaijan an excuse to annex the southern part of Armenia, if they did they join both up both parts of Azerbaijan and Turkey into one big Ottoman military and trading block, stretching all the way from the mediterranean to the Caspian sea.
So it’s just a thought with no real understanding of the military or political situation, but with the few things I did find out, and from what I’ve seen from thew maps, I’m not so sure the end goal of the Azerbaijanis is total annexation of all of Nagorno-Karabakh, I’m starting to wonder if that madman Erdogan has his eyes on an even bigger prize.
Of course that would put Erdogan and Azerbaijan in direct conflict with Russian interests in a vital region, and more worryingly Russia’s legally obligated to assist Armenia if they’re attacked on their own territory, so what I’m suggesting could be a bit too much of a stretch for the imagination, and there was a time I believed that would be too much of a deterrent for Erdogan, but after Syria and Libya I’m pretty sure that’s not a major concern to Erdogan, so I’m at least entertaining the thought, at least until someone proves it’s a totally unrealistic scenario.
The Muslim brotherhood and the Ottoman Empire are like conjoined twins now, where one goes the other follows, but who leads and who follows.

Mustafa Mehmet

Bravo you are clever after all ?

cechas vodobenikov

internet soldiers at SF make outrageous claims

Zionism = EVIL

Most are operating from South Asian troll factories. Posting images of dead soldiers is quite distasteful. Also confirms that none has any military connection as even the most pathetic soldier would never post an image of a fallen from any country to gloat.

Porc Halal

after so many strikes I think there is only one big hole left in the ground instead of Artsahk … however I have not seen any evidence of this yet

Zionism = EVIL

The warhead on suicide drones is very small mostly 30 kg max. The Azerbaijanis are now using Turkish longer loitering Bayraktar with precision anti armor and anti-personnel ammo so the visible damage is quite limited. The Armenians have shelled civilians and that has turned off the world. This war is lost and the bloodshed needs to end.

Porc Halal

It was sarcasm…”the big hole left in the ground”, was an euphemism…

Porc Halal

There are evidences of AZ shelling armenian civilian targets as well as war crimes commited by the redneck turks, so lets not get too high on this topic…

Zionism = EVIL

There were earlier instances of some indiscriminate rocket and missile attacks from both sides, however, the missile strike on Ganga changed perceptions and hardened Azerbaijani position. However, considering the historic animosity, both combatants have shown quite a bit of restraint and civilian casualties have been nominal, perhaps less than 1,000. This is mostly a drone and border war and needs to end.

Sergei Akhmadov

I swear on Allah that we Chechens will give our full support to our Azeri friends. The Armenians will lose, just like they to the Turks.

Zionism = EVIL

Chechens are the most fearsome warriors in the Caucasus. Russia had to destroy Grozny to subdue by using almost half its army and airforce.

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