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Army Of Great Turan: Erdogan’s Neo-Ottoman Ambitions Move Forward

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Turkey is expected to announce the formation of a united army of the Turkic countries (the Army Of Great Turan), a Turkish military expert – Kaan Saryaydin claimed.

According to him, this is expected to take place on October 29th, at the Summit of The Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States, since “the time has come to announce it”.

It is interesting that the expert has set a specific date, since conversations and discussions about this have been going on for more than a year, however, in different political and geopolitical contexts.

At one time, the reputable Turkish publication Uluslarası Politika Akademisi linked the possibility of implementing such a project with the prospect of developing the Association of Law Enforcement Agencies of the Military Status of Eurasia, in the format of which it was supposed to unite law enforcement agencies with the military status of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia.

Such an “army”, as the newspaper claimed, “uniting law enforcement agencies with military status”, will number 2.8 million soldiers.

Turkish and Azerbaijani experts qualified the project as focused on solving legal problems: combating human trafficking, drugs, banditry and other crimes of an international nature.

Army Of Great Turan: Erdogan's Neo-Ottoman Ambitions Move Forward

The President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, speaks at Chatham House in central London, Britain May 14, 2018. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls

The Azerbaijani newspaper “Yeni Musavat” added that this opened up the prospect of participation of the formations in “anti-terrorist operations” in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. Which means it directly threatens Armenia.

At the same time, the use of the term “military status” needed clarification, because Kyrgyzstan is a member of the CSTO – and this is a different military organization.

The position of Azerbaijan, which is a member of the Non-Aligned Movement, whose members cannot be included in military blocs, also needed comments.

And Turkey, being a NATO member, had to somehow explain itself with the North Atlantic Alliance.

As such, the initial “draft” of this project is rather crude.

Mongolia and Kyrgyzstan, for their own reasons, acted only as temporary political extras.

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Then, the project began being filled with specific content regarding expanding military-technical cooperation between Ankara and Baku with the emergence of a common regional security system.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev understood that the further development of the military-political alliance with Turkey postpones, instead of bringing the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict closer.

Back in the fall of 2019, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that “his dream is the emergence of six states and one nation.”

And Ankara and Baku are making a declaration of a “two states – one nation” concept.

This is predominantly due to the clashes in Nagorno Korabakh between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Azeri President liyev said that Turkey became Azerbaijan’s number one partner in the development of military-technical cooperation, and a discussion was launched in the Turkish and Azerbaijani press about the possibility of two Turkish bases in Absheron and Nakhichevan, even on the creation of a union state of Turkey and Azerbaijan on the model of Russia and Belarus.

With all of the above, Kaan Saryaydin claim of actually turning the Army of Great Turan into reality doesn’t seem that far-fetched, initially between just Azerbaijan and Turkey, but then possibly including more.

It is likely still early for any more concrete steps, although at this stage, a probe operation may be carried out as a response to Russia’s decision to expand the capabilities of its military base in Armenia.

According to the British publication Rai Al Youm, this is happening against the background of still unclear reasons for the active shift of the balance of interests of Azerbaijan towards Turkey, which turns this alliance almost into a “new business card of its domestic and foreign policy”, when it is easy to foresee Baku’s farewell to Nagorno-Karabakh.

This is a big concern for skeptics of the Army of Great Turan in Azerbaijan.

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Turkey, which is fighting on many Middle Eastern fronts, participation in “political games” in the Transcaucasus is considered a “fallback” option.

Aliyev demands from Russian President Vladimir Putin to make a choice between Azerbaijan and Armenia, more precisely, to facilitate the return of the lost Nagorno-Karabakh to Baku’s jurisdiction.

On Ankara’s side, Erdogan demands that US President Donald Trump make a choice between Turkey and the Kurds.

According to many experts, and also Turkish politicians, Ankara’s increased attention to the Nagorno-Karabakh problem is projected so far only through the regional Kurdish problem, which is already being played out.

On the other hand, the project of the union state of Azerbaijan and Turkey will cause a negative reaction in Iran, where several million Turks, who consider themselves Azerbaijanis, live.

Thus, Erdogan and Aliyev are at serious risk of losing support from the West in both the Kurdish and Karabakh directions.

As for Russia, as the party most interested in maintaining the balance of power and stability in the region and maintaining its independence in a geopolitical sense, it will be forced to pursue a Caucasian policy based on the recognition of new realities.

What is the Army of Great Turan?

As mentioned above, it is expected hat at the end of October at the summit of the Cooperation Council of Turkic-speaking states, the creation of a united army of Turkic countries will be announced. Already today, the most probable is the unification of the Turkish and Azerbaijani armies in this union.

The Turkish Armed Forces are a formidable force. They have a number of 500,000 people; in the event of a military conflict it can be increased to 900,000.

The ground forces alone consist of approximately 390,000.

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The main task facing the ground forces of Turkey today is to conduct hostilities in several directions at once, as well as to participate in maintaining public order within the state.

In recent years, significant resources have been devoted to modernizing the Turkish army, most of which went to the development of the ground forces.

Thanks to this, today the Turkish army has more than 3,500 tanks, 6,000 artillery pieces, mortars and MLRS, almost 4,000 different anti-tank weapons (2,400 anti-tank missiles and 1,400 ATGMs).

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The number of armored combat vehicles sits at approximately 5,000 units, aircraft and helicopters of the army aviation – 400 units.

he plans of the Turkish military leadership include updating the tank fleet, adopting its own tank “Altai”, replacing outdated infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers with new models, equipping the army with new types of artillery and MLRS.

Also, the T-129 ATAK attack reconnaissance helicopter should be adopted.

Turkey is almost completely self-sufficient in terms of small arms and artillery weapons and ammunition.

The production of mortars, automatic cannons for armored vehicles, multiple launch rocket systems has been established.

The Turkish Air Force is armed with over 500 aircraft, including a large number of modern fourth-generation fighters F-16C and F-16D (more than 200 units) and more than two hundred units of obsolete F-4 and F-5 aircraft, transport and training aircraft.

Turkey also has an efficient navy. It includes 19 frigates and 7 corvettes, 15 submarines.

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The Azerbaijani army has the following forces:

  • personnel – 82,000 people (and a reserve of approximately 500,000);
  • tanks – 339 (mostly Soviet and Russian production);
  • Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles – 662;
  • artillery and self-propelled guns – 238;
  • artillery installations – 61;
  • warplanes – 41.
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The Navy includes 2 frigates, 3 patrol ships, 4 patrol boats, 4 minesweepers and 6 landing ships.

After the unification, the armed forces will be formally under the Turkish command.

A discussion was launched in the Turkish and Azerbaijani press about the possibility of the appearance of two Turkish bases in Absheron and Nakhichevan as mentioned.

Essentially, a Turkish-Azerbaijani joint army would be significantly stronger, it will still not be directly comparable to those of Russia, the US and China. Egypt could potentially be an equal adversary, but still, if the Army of Great Turan begins including more militaries through various political and diplomatic movements and circumvention of various military agreements and so on, then it could potentially become a very significant military superpower.

This is likely also the final goal of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan since he sees himself as the unilateral leader of the Turkic world.

If created, the new alliance will objectively have an anti-Russian character, even if it is not formally stated in its plans. E

Erdogan will not stop at Azerbaijan. He has repeatedly stated that “his dream is the emergence of six states and one nation.”

In the near future, he will start implementing the rest of the program.

A belt of pro-Turkish states will be created around the Russian borders.

If Joe Biden wins the US elections, the likelihood of close Turkish-American cooperation is high: Russia is the main obstacle to the creation of the Army of Great Turan.

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is taking steps to reconcile Ankara and Damascus. The policy of flirting with Turkey has never been good for Russia.

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Servet Köseoğlu

omg what did ı just read?better watch hbo new series raised by wolves…

HiaNd

Sultan Turdogan is itching to get his ass kicked and very badly….
He only forgot to invite Chinese Uighur’s and Russian Tatar’s

His ambitions go directly against Russia and China.

Like everybody else (I suppose) I have underestimated the magnitude of madness of this lunatic megalomaniac

HiaNd

There is something wrong with the map of Armenia.

I don’t see other half of Armenia on the other side of Turk border…strange…
The maps need adjusting.

Shadow

Too bad for Armenia to live between two hostile Turkish states, closed border crossings and no access to sea. They have no economy, starving to death and people fleeing to more developed countries. They’re simply doomed.

Servet Köseoğlu

that guy is lost and he cant simply shut up..dont let him to drag you to baseless,deadly boring discussions..he loves to repeat russians supremacy bla bla bla…

Shadow

I wanted to state some simple facts so that he may stop being delusional :)

Servet Köseoğlu

he is certificited delusion……dont pay attention…

HiaNd

Like somebody is really paying attention on few Turds here on this forum?
You would be regional power and your lunatic Sultan Turdogan
are disliked buy practically everybody.

Servet Köseoğlu

bro…ıf you have contact with the editors of south front tell them to pick up useful topics like climate change,military or diplomatic stuff not baseless,useless topics which is full of hate speech algorithms

The Objective

SouthFront has a large fanbase including friends and foes of Russia, Iran, and Assad. The one thing I like about SouthFront is that they are open to criticism and never tamper with anyone’s comments even though most of their posts hardly touch Russia’s wrongdoings around the world. But still, their openness to comments is a good thing.

Servet Köseoğlu

because they dont have any choice…but if someone knocks my door ı will knock his door as well..

HiaNd

Too bad you Turks are too ambitious for your own good.
Direction you are taking is not direction of cooperation but your dead end.
When the right moment comes you will be put in right place where you belong.

Shadow

“two states – one nation” concept between Ankara and Baku is true but others are fairy tales. Turan movement has failed badly and dead after adventurist Enver Pasha of WW1. Also i’ve never heard the name of that socalled military expert mentioned in the article. Nothing to be taken seriously in my opinion.

Servet Köseoğlu

its stupid stuff..dont bother to read…..

The Objective

What do you mean it’s stupid stuff? Are you saying the guy’s spreading fake news? To me this makes a lot of sense. They countries are close to one another, and they are largely Muslims.

Servet Köseoğlu

nonsense and stupid news…formation of a united army of the Turkic countries an army consisting of overnumbered of soldiers means nothing unless you dont have air-superiority,a big military budget,technology,high Gdp…besides china and russia is still active in these areas…and turkey is not a member of un member whatever she does it will be contained somewhere..

The Objective

Oh, I now understand your point. You are not disputing this claim that a military alliance of sort is in the pipelines. You believe this military alliance will be impotent compared to others. Well, I don’t think so. Turkey alone has a formidable military – at least it isn’t an easy country to invade. Adding five more countries to this already formidable military will nearly double its military strength.
The threat in this alliance is not the immediate military challenge it poses for opponents but the possibility of expansion to include new members such as Pakistan, Turkmenistan and others. Should this happen, it’ll give more guts to Turkey to continue pursuing other missions of uniting as many Muslim countries under its leadership as it could.
I totally like this news, and I hope that it’s true. This is what the Islamic world needs right now. If the alliance matures to include a nuclear power like Pakistan (which I think will be among the first to join), none of the other states need to stockpile their own nukes. just funding the Pakistani arsenal to large enough numbers that can deter bullies like the U.S.A. and Russia. And then compete with them on an equal footing.

Servet Köseoğlu

shortly,in modern era noone can invade the other country…Turkey is a 2nd tier country dont overestimate and underestimate as well..militarily it will never catch-up usa,russia,china..our purpose is to be highly-deterrent country in terms of military…and with hard working,planning and strategy we can realize it…this is my 2 cents..

The Objective

I am not saying Turkey should try competing with Russia, China and the U.S.A in building and stockpiling arms. On the other hand, deterrent is not enough. Turkey has foreign policy it needs to achieve, especially with the Muslim world. Russia is bullying Turkey at every turn, from Syria to Libya and Egypt. Russia does this with great confidence knowing it is nuclear-armed and more powerful conventionally. But should a military alliance emerge involving several countries including a nuclear Pakistan, I’m sure Russia won’t be so confident in taking them on. That’s the important thing. Plus the alliance can pursue collective goals of getting other Muslim countries to join, from Libya to Algeria, to Niger, to Tunisia … you name it.
What we want in the Muslim world is an alliance to deal with Hypocrites and Disbeliever who are united at fighting us and keeping us divided. We have enormous resources that the world cannot do without. So sanctions against us won’t work if we are united. But the hypocrite (Saudi Arabia, UAE, El-Sisi, and others) are keeping us divided at the behest of their western masters.
The Prophet (s.a.w) advised that we not be divided otherwise the enemy will defeat us. If Erdogan and his party can help start this process of unity, then it’s a welcome idea, and will certainly throw REAL panic into our enemies.

Servet Köseoğlu

russia is bullying now because they are well aware of our loneliness and owning great issues with Usa makes Turkey weaker(financial markets) and they dont want to loose us on the other hand(they are making serious money at turkey)..ı am ok with your remaining opinions about muslim cooperation.

The Objective

You wish desperately that this were not true. Looking at the map, such a military alliance is what Turkey should pursue. I think other states will include Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. So it’ll be an 8-country military alliance, blessed with a nuclear-armed Pakistan. That’s the best way to deal with bullies like Russia and the U.S.
May Allah keep Erdogan long, guide him with everything he and his team need to succeed, guide all Muslims and bring peace to our lands. I urge every God-fearing Muslim to reflect on the current issues and understand that the future of Islam’s revival appears to lie in Turkey. We must fear Allah, pray for these courageous leaders and our armed forces and help with whatever we can, including joining the military. This is the only way to regain our dignity and take our lands and resources back.

verner

and if they, the future alliance, can finalize the jews in palestine, then they have a good start to become a force that nato won’t touch.

Shadow

I believe such cooperation (even alliance) with all those countries that you’ve cited is always possible but this should not be opposing Russia, China or Iran. Instead, we should include these countries too. We have every kind of similarity and mutual interests with them. Some sort of a huge Asian block can be achieved. Shanghai Cooperation Organization would be a good start for such a gathering. Also trade roads such as the New Silk Road needs to be improved for this aim.

Антон С

Kind of Eurasian union opposite to EU and USA. New center of mass in geopolitics.

The Objective

A good observation. Actually, I’m not against any Muslim cooperation with Russia. Russia and the Muslim world have a lot of common enemies (NATO, USA, GCC, Israel, etc). I think if Israel will stop oppressing the Palestinians, we’ll be willing to make peace with them too.
The big problem with Russia is that it hasn’t picked a side up till now. It’s neither with the U.S. nor is it with the Muslim world. In fact, it currently acts like an enemy to both. That’s why Turkey does not trust Russia and is reluctant to further distance itself from the West.
For example, Russia supports El-Sisi – a man most Sunni Muslims dislike intensely. He’s called Pharaoh by many. This man killed nearly 2000 people in ONE DAY to disperse protesters. That’s a huge crime by any standards. Even the Non-Muslim NGOs in Egypt have complained seriously about this. But despite all this, Russia supports him.
Another thing, El-Sisi is a U.S puppet. Sooner or later he’ll backstab Russia when his masters tell him to. Same goes of Haftar.
This is where Russia is a Muslim enemy. These figures are hypocrites ruling or trying to rule us under dictatorship. They dislike free and fair elections cos they have no public support (Majority). While Turkey tries to see that the people in Egypt and Libya get to choose their leader, Russia is preventing this by supporting the anti-democracy dictators who are themselves Western puppets. Russia will certainly regret this choice with time. Neither side will accept them unless Putin makes the wise decision of Supporting the masses not tyrants.

NoYes Name

You more sound like you are in love with muslem brothers who are designated as terrorist by some countries.
You seem to equate sunni with a salafist movement. Get realistic.
None of this is true.

FANFARΟNE ? Year of the Pig ??

have to agree with you here, this article is utterly nonsense, plain stupidity

mongolians are known to be honorable people with self respect, they resent being associated with turks and hate disgusting backwardιng anachronistic muslims – surely they are not part of a turanic army

an honest question, a yes or no response will do : do you believe your country today is in line with kemal’s project ?

Shadow

If you asked me this question 7-8 years ago my answer would be definitely no. However, there is no simple answer at the moment. Especially after the failed CIA-backed coup attempt in 2016, he started to act accordingly with our country’s national interests. His fight against Gulenists, PKK/YPG are right and real. Every Turkish patriot supports these. His increasing cooperation with Russia is also generally welcomed because anti-American thought is more powerful than ever here these days. But his non-secular attempts are still ongoing even though there is powerful resistance both in the society and institutions. He is simply pushing his luck time to time.

NoYes Name

In fact it was very successful if you consider it as a hoax coup and there are significant indicators supporting it. It was not a CIA backed coop only, rather it was CIA + MIT (a section under CIA) & Erdogan backed hoax coup.
Ataturk’s country has been toppled down many decades ago, and no longer exist.
Turks have been the servants of CIA after joining NATO, USA & Israel and still are.
Turkey also supports YPG/PKK by selling their oil stolen from syrian wells thru ceyhan port to ashdod port in israel.
Anything coalition they form will work the same…

Shadow

That hoax coup story is created by CIA-oriented mechanisms by using their media power. Here, the real story behind it is explained in detail by an objective Russian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=zmieiBxorOE&feature=emb_logo

Антон С

One more Enver Pasha, i.e. eaurasianist and turanist. Though very smart man. I can agree with him mostly.

Shadow

Dugin is a Turkish-friendly man and he has a role to strengthen the ties between Turks and Russians i guess. He keeps visiting Turkiye, he has close relations with politicians and sometimes i see him on a TV channel. He was told to be close to Putin but I’m not sure about his duty.

NoYes Name

Hoax story was not created by cia but actual people and physical realities in country.
I am sorry, u r too far out from real life. Ataturk country does no longer exist. It is Erdo sub-sultanate who bows to american zionist empire.

FANFARΟNE ? Year of the Pig ??

Thank you for your answer, I was curious.

I think your assessment is wrong. Erdogan who is a populist, conservative and islamist is fundamentally the exact opposite than what kemal stood for. Kemal is known to be progressive, reformer and atheist ( in my humble opinion not only irreligious but full blown atheist by conviction, at least in the mature part of his life )

Regarding the coup I agree this was neither a ” self coup ” ( hoax organized by erdogan ) or a ” FETO coup ” . The coup was performed by secular kemalist officers who wanted to oust erdogan but they miscalculated and failed. When the putschist captured the TV station they forced the station to announce their directive. I listened it with great interest and beyond doubt their goals has been consistent with kemalist principles, thus no fake coup or FETO coup. Also the motto was obvious ” peace home, peace at the world “. The explanation of the goals where simple and self-explanatory, AKP islamist policy in ME has lead to chaos in turkey ( bombs, terrorism, instability, failure of davutoglu foreign policy ) and the officers tried to remove erdogan and correct the situation

Then the real problems follow. Erdogan allied with the mafia ultra nationalist delusional old man bahceli to save his ass. The followers of bahceli protect AKP from internal enemies and at the same time they devise turkish foreign policy. Erdogan is essentially held hostage by the ultranationalists. The right wing hardcore ” kemalists ” keep the left wing secular ” kemalists ” ( who are more consistent with kemal’s work ) at bay and guarantee that the islamists ( erdogan ) stays in power.

The fact that 2 months after the 2016 coup, turkey made the first incursion in syria ( al bab ) is no coincidence. Afterwards more operations followed, This was always what ultranationalists wanted. They do not really care much about religion and erdogan however they take advantage of the situation and support erdogan and his islamist ottoman adventures to press their own aggressive agenda in foreign policy. This is what seems to be going on in turkey. Recently the bahceli idiots dared to assert claim on greek islands and staged a whole show in izmir and AKP officials supported it.

Of course this alliance of erdogan and bahceli is also formal since from what I understand they work together in the parliament, it is not so hard to realize what’s going on.

Shadow

FETÖ members used some symbolic talks such as the one you cited from Ataturk or the announcement from the TV station which were aiming to fool Turkish people, especially the soldiers in the army. They needed more support. Because number of FETÖ members involved in the coup attempt were very low compared to the whole. It was sth like 5%. Turkish Army is still mainly consisting of kemalists and nationalists. It was the same way during that night. So, many of those officers didn’t take the bait and suppressed the attempt. I know this is quite the opposite of what is being told you by western or Greek media but these are facts. Turkish Army is still secular. The ones that escaped to Europe/Greece are not kemalists. They’re gulenists. Have fun with them :) There occured a huge void in the army after tens of thousands of gulenists were dismissed. Especially in the navy and airforces. Half of our pilots were arrested. We had hard times at the beginning especially in Al Bab. However next year’s Afrin Operation was a success. Now most of our wounds are recovered.

Regarding the political parties, situation is not black and white. Some kemalists support the opposition party chp but some don’t. The same is valid for nationalists.
Erdogan was pro-american at the beginning but the opposition was not. Now Erdogan(and bahceli) decided to be anti-american and simultaneously the main opposition party chp (and hdp) became pro-american/european. Total mess.

Servet Köseoğlu

Kemalist ideology was a cover device of feto aka cia to Semi-Permanently Embedded in a Body(state organs).

Shadow

Unfortunately yes. There is no political party representing the ideas of Ataturk in the parliament for me.

Servet Köseoğlu

his foundation principles is so relevant,solid even now all parties using it as ‘meydan larousse’ like the before internet era.

FANFARΟNE ? Year of the Pig ??

this is the problem with the turks, find it hard to process values that are self explanatory and common ground for normal people

once a decent man shows up they made a personal cult out of him and hang posters and portraits everywhere LMAO

Servet Köseoğlu

lol..by the way its not up to me but be careful with these greek guys they are quiet deceptive..they know evey local news about Turkey and is folllowing every development with the hope of fall of Turkey..ı am sure they hate bahceli to the bone because he organized our debut(al-bab) to Syria.

Shadow

He is just a curious guy. Don’t worry i won’t give him our state secrets :)

Servet Köseoğlu

lol not state secrets but they will always cover their intention,disappointment in their uncompleted sentences .

FANFARΟNE ? Year of the Pig ??

Well said Serviette Komsuogly, you win the Gold Watch LOL

Furkan Sahin

If you want more Ataturk’s style then you should vote for Muharrem Ince he is the one who is more for Ataturk than others in parliament and other Turkish parties

Furkan Sahin

I think Muharrem Ince saves a lot on Ataturk when he becomes president he will create a lot of Ataturk in Turkey

FANFARΟNE ? Year of the Pig ??

We do not want your exiled military officers, your kurds escaping turkey and the afgani & irani that the wannabe sultan has accumulated over the years and now tries to unload in our islands and land borders. Take them back !
The problem is that EU is very strict and ” sensitive ” about refugees oppressed opposition and asylum seekers and we are not allowed to do with them what must be done.

About the coup, it is an interesting event and a milestone for turkish policy both in the internal field and internationally. We can know the back story and get the full picture of what was going behind the scenes that night and the days before. IMO that was not a FETO coup, it does not make sense. How did FETO a religious sect managed to hijack your military that was supposed to protect secular kemalist values ?

However it is quite possible that a few FETO members with relations in the army worked together with the plotters to get rid of the common enemy ( erdogan ). There are many scenarios crossing my mind, including intense negotiations ( bazar ) among potential coupists on who supports the coup and who is against, with some of them changing sides the last moment. Perhaps officers friendly to FETO sold out kemalist officers and never showed up in their posts undermining the coup. Surely something was off with that coup and it was not erdogan self-couping himself.
In any case any FETO members found their way to the military with the help of their former ally, erdogan who was working side by side with them in the past.

Like you stated there are some odd alliances forming, for example the man with the mustache kicigaroglu allying with the minority kurd party ( demetris ). Those alliances are put together in order to get rid of the common enemy but they do not work well and are doomed to fail b/c there is not much common ground on important policies.

The FETO is being used as a scapegoat in Turkey and easily blamed for everything that goes worng. You were doing the same with the PKK kurds in the past who alleged were responsible of any wrongdoings. Kurd hate us, kurd want to kill us all, kurds are atheists, kurd killed me because I am turk, kurd stole my lollipop because on my balcony I raised the turkish flag, kurd bomb our museum because hate turkish history etc
It does not make sense that an islamic nexus like that uses as cover totally alien secular ideology. This is merely a conspiracy theory, it features many common aspects with conspiracy theories and naming scapegoats. I will enjoy myself a lot if soon erdogan is used like a scapegoat by his enemies

According to Greek media Erdogan blamed his enemy but old friend preacher gulen who hides in US about the coup, however they also implied the coup was really a hoax. I do not agree with any of that. Greek media are not familiar with the term ” FETO ” or kemalist mottos.

QUESTION : the media ” nordic monitor ” & ahval are FETO ?

Shadow

Yes, they’re.

FANFARΟNE ? Year of the Pig ??

they sound very suspicious and treacherous, still the articles I have read are quite distant from what I would define as ” kemalist narrative ”

also if they are really FETO it is weird they distance a lot from islamic and religious related agenda – this could mean indeed the FETO is deceptive trying to hide their real cause ( of course I do not approve of religious groups whether it is FETO or MB which is represented by erdogan’s associates in turkey and challenged by FETO )

Icarus Tanović

Thanks.

Антон С

Your welcome.)

HiaNd

Army Of Great Turdogan is already defeated before even started to exist.
You better pick up your toys and go back to Ankara before it is too late for you.

Sauron

fake news

Servet Köseoğlu

what did you expect?

Porc Halal

“ combating human trafficking, drugs, banditry and other crimes of an international nature“…this is fucking nonsense!..it’s exactly what the turks are doing…

Icarus Tanović

Hahahahahahahaha.

Mustafa Mehmet

you scumbag idiot

Rhodium 10

Turkey is a member of NATO and he has the mandate to put NATO forces( through Azerbajan alliance) in Caspian sea close to Iran and Russia..all NATO countries are not a trusty partners for Russia..Turkey( and the support to Anti Assad forces), Germany ( the Navalny affaire linked to ND2), France ( Mistral heli carrier case)…all of them have close economic ties with Russia..but at the same time are Geopolitic enemies!

cechas vodobenikov

cooperation is not integration; this is hyperbole, dissimulation

Антон С

Strange to see no Turkmenistan in cooperation list. It’s small, easy to influence. Main countries of the Middle Asia, Kazahstan and Uzbekistan, staying apart of this cooperation. Kirgizia is small and in orbit of Russia. And Mongolia not even turkic country.

cechas vodobenikov

panyatno—kaneshna

SnowCatzor

So he wants a collection of Islamist Turkic nations to replace NATO basically (with him in charge).

Good riddance to bad garbage, Turkey being in NATO is a liability to Europe anyway. Russia has a long standing formal alliance with Armenia as well, so they can’t do shit to them.

As for the middle-east; if/when Turkey leaves NATO it’ll only weaken their overall regional military deterance, as no one will care if the ‘mighty’ central Asian Turkic nations threaten to back up Turkey.

In return Erdogan will trade being a weak & unpopular part of a powerful military alliance for being the ruler of a pretty weak military alliance. Which probably suits Erdogans narcissistic desires better anyway.

A win-win all round.

The Objective

Like the way NATO was willing to help Turkey during the Syrian crisis. NATO is brain dead. No NATO member will fight for Turkey with or without Turkey being in NATO. Know why? Cos Turkey is Muslim.
It’ll certainly be good for Muslims to dump Europe. Don’t forget, you need us more than we’ll need you. We got the oil. Our main problem is just the disunity. Our collective population represent one of your largest export market. So were we to sanction your countries from any trade with any Muslim country, you’ll know that we hold a stronger card than Europe. What is left of Europe anyway? Most of your countries are heavily indebted, your economies are also going down with your reliance on Asia growing.
Like I said, the only thing we need now is unite. And as soon as the dictators and monarchies fall, unity will return to the Muslim world. You probably have noticed a trend already – that’s if you have the insights to glean them. Anywhere a dictator falls and is successfully replaced by a democracy, the resulting government is more Islamic. See Tunisia, Turkey, Libya, briefly Egypt (which will still fall back to us), Soon Syria, Morocco, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and others. Anytime these governments fall, be sure that what replaces them will be WE the ISLAMISTS you so passionately hate and also fear.

SnowCatzor

No one needs Turkey, except your pet Azeri’s and Cyprus occupiers. Europe has plenty of alternative energy sources, not that Turkey has much anyway.

Антон С

Indeed, there is a lot of hydrocarbons in this part of Earth, even too much.

Антон С

Unite with Syria… That’s why I mentioned hashish before. First – end with occupation of Syria, then talk about union. Same with Lybia.

Porc Halal

The turks are more and more isolated internationaly and that’s a fact!…look at what is going on in the world right now and even in the so called “muslim” world…the turks are making more and more enemies…and I do hope they don’t realize that untlil is too late for them… they will learn their lesson…

Porc Halal

PS…the first neo-islamic wannabe caliphate (ie ISIS) was defeted…the second neo-islamic wannabe caliphate (ie ottoman empire v 2.0) is on the brink of its colapse…?????‍♂️?????????????????

Porc Halal

Wtf is turan anyway…is it some sort of weird star trek klingonian shit??…

ypovalkanios_katimas

great news. I hope they make it asap .

cechas vodobenikov

farcical—the Armenians obliterated the Azeri fake military in Azerbaijan (Nagorno-Karabakh….Tatars in Russia do not wish to unite w Turkey, except perhaps the 10% in Crimea—Uzbeks I know have little interest in Turkey…there r many linguistic ,religious and cultural differences—large Bashkir populations—even the Saudi wahabbis continue to buy gas from their boycotted enemy
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