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Americans Evacuate From US Consulate In China After Debilitating Sonic Attacks

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Originally appeared at ZeroHedge

Several US citizens have been evacuated from the US consulate in Guangzhou, China, after falling ill with various neurological symptoms from mysterious “sonic attacks” similar to incidents reported in Havana Cuba which left 20 State Department employees with serious injuries.

Americans Evacuate From US Consulate In China After Debilitating Sonic Attacks

On Wednesday night, consulate worker Mark Lenzi and his family were evacuated after hearing strange noises over the course of several months, which Lenzi described as “marbles bouncing and hitting a floor then rolling on an incline with a static sound,” according to the Washington Post

At first, he and his wife thought that their neighbor — a fellow Foreign Service officer in the U.S. Consulate in Guangzhou, China — was responsible. The neighbor denied having anything to do with it.

A few months later, the headaches started — excruciating pain that lasted for days at a time. Lenzi, his wife, and their 3-year-old son experienced the same symptoms, which soon included chronic sleeplessness as well. Lenzi says that he asked his superiors for help but that they dismissed his concerns. Consulate doctors prescribed painkillers and Ambien, which did nothing to address the underlying causes of the problem. –WaPo

Lenzi then learned that his next-door neighbor had been evacuated from the consulate and flown back to the United States to undergo a thorough medical assessment – which concluded that the person was suffering from “mild traumatic brain injury.”

The State Department issued a statement on May 23, warning that an unnamed “U.S. government employee in China recently reported subtle and vague, but abnormal, sensations of sound and pressure,” and urging anyone with “concerns about symptoms or medical problems that developed during or after a stay in China” to “consult a medical professional.”

The statement also said that the U.S. government was unaware of any other cases — a point strongly disputed by Lenzi, who insists that he had repeatedly informed both the embassy in Beijing and State Department headquarters in Washington of his family’s predicament. “Mark is a very capable guy,” says political consultant Michael Getto, a longtime friend of Lenzi’s. “If he says something is wrong or amiss, then it is.”WaPo

The description of the sound – which the victim said produced abnormal sensations and pressures – sound eerily familiar to a series of similar “sonic attacks” that afflicted US embassy personnel in Havana, beginning shortly after President Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential race.

On May 23, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo noted the comparisons between the China incidents and the Cuban attacks during a House hearing, stating “The medical indications are very similar, and entirely consistent with, the medical indications that were taking place to Americans working in Cuba.”

Americans Evacuate From US Consulate In China After Debilitating Sonic Attacks

Meanwhile, a team of scientists at the University of Michigan say they may have found the source of the mysterious sounds.  They said that two sources of ultrasounds – such as eavesdropping – may have been placed too closely together, provoking an intense sound like the one described by the victims, according to the Miami Herald.

US-China relations

Though their source has never been determined, the attacks damaged relations between the US and Cuban governments and also left some embassy employees with mild brain damage. The US recalled most of its embassy staff from Havana before expelling 15 Cuban diplomats from Washington in response to the alleged attack.

Lenzi says he believes that the number of those affected will turn out to be higher than Washington expects. If he’s right, U.S.-Chinese relations could start to enter a rocky patch. -WaPo

Likewise, the new sonic attacks risk straining relationships between Washington and Beijing – which the Trump administration has been pressing hard on trade, while at the same time relying on China to help negotiate with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. As WaPo notes, “A widening scandal involving the possible mistreatment of U.S. diplomats couldn’t come at a worse time.

So far, the fact that only a single staff member is publicly known to have been affected has allowed the Trump administration to play down the Guangzhou case. That may no longer be possible if more victims present themselves — and Lenzi, for one, is not prepared to go away quietly. –WaPo

Would you if your wife and three-year-old had been sonically attacked to the point of brain injury?

Mike Pompeo has dispatched the “Health Incidents Response Task Force” to Guangzhou on May 31 to examine consulate employees who so request, including Lenzi and his family – who have been told they will likely receive a detailed brain analysis in the United States.

The high-level medical team’s role includes “identification and treatment of affected personnel and family members, investigation and risk mitigation, messaging, and diplomatic outreach.

In the same announcement, Pompeo said that “24 US government personnel and family members who served in Cuba have been medically-confirmed as having symptoms and clinical findings similar to those noted following concussion or minor traumatic brain injury”, as well as the initial China consulate victim.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said in a press briefing that China had investigated the May 16 cases but found no reason for the illness.

“China has conducted a very careful investigation and has given preliminary findings to the US, and we haven’t found the reason or clues that led to the situation mentioned by the US,” he said.

“China has always followed the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations and consular relations to protect the US diplomatic staff and staff from other countries.”

What could be causing these mysterious attacks?

Americans Evacuate From US Consulate In China After Debilitating Sonic Attacks

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Freespirit

Warfare by “other means”

The U.S. has been, and still is, using Weather Warfare since Vietnam. that is only one of by “other means”. Could China and Russia be in on “the game”?

Why not.

Freespirit

I didn’t see those EXCEPT for David Icke’s/Jon Rappoport BUT I did comment, on that similar article about the eruptions in Hawaii, on Jon Rappaport’s site, that I believed HAARP and SCALAR Directed energy, COULD and MAY have caused the Volcanic eruptions, considering that Hawaii is talking about INDEPENDENCE from he U.S. invader/occupiers. Those energy tactics CAN do that.

My comment, placed a few weeks ago, should be there

I might as well have been talking to myself considering the total lack of reaction I got :-). Maybe I was speaking in “tongues” or Babylonian:-)

People are totally “dumbified”. – Too much TV?

Likewise when I tell people the U.S. is the most RADIATED country on this planet, including MORE than in Japan : https://yourradiationthisweek.org/nichols-on-nuclear-library-of-articles/

“STRANGE” things see to happen to countries and people which stand up to Israel and/or the U.S.of A,……..or try to break away

TrevorD

“people which stand up to Israel and/or the U.S.of A,……..or try to break away”.
So obvious who are the evil bullies in the playground and who beyond all others causes such pain, sorrow, confusion and death. I never thought evil exists, I do now

Freespirit

We are only seeing the BEGINNING

TrevorD

Ya I know it

Freespirit

A 97 year old Palestinian, former Guerrilla fighter telling the facts: about Nakba https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/epic-story-97-year-palestinian-freedom-fighter-180531051206713.html

TrevorD

“the Zionist ethnic cleansing campaign of Palestine”. A disgusting example of British led and still supported genocide on behalf of the Zio/Khazarian evil monsters that have taken control . I am in Asia now as you know and when people ask me where are you from?, I say earth, same as you.

Brother Ma

They certainly do. Their leaders always seem to develop cancer mysteriously and abruptly .Then they eventually die of it.

ghartwell

Yes, Israel has this technology as well.

ghartwell

Yes, Russia (secret services) have had weather control technology for a long time and have leased it to other groups who use it to harrass USA. Read Bob Bearden.

Freespirit

Nice try

Srini Rao

It is reasonable that Russia and China has the means. But, Why do they use it as a harassment?. Don’t they have enough issues to resolve- these sanctions or south China sea standoff etc.? Only country that benefit from this type of attack ( considering it is true)is US. If History is of any indication, it won’t be China deliberately doing instead “some thing else entirely” or simple blame game or some body benefits from this clash- ex: actors like Israel

Brother Ma

False flag to blame China and Cuba.

RichardD

Once I get my Sub 2000 back from the gun smith installing a tactical light and laser sight combination and a light gathering fiber optic front sight. I may add a smart phone clamp for my Galaxy S6 and buy a mini usb port thermal camera and an add on night vision upgrade. So that I’ll have 3 forms of target identification for locating 1 or more Bigfoots that I encounter at night, or that are stalking me in the remote wilderness. Thermal, day vision and night vision.

They have stealth tracers now that illuminate the back side of the bullet that are only visible to the shooter. The thermal imaging camera with an 1,800 foot range should be particularly useful for locating Bigfoot and other potential dangers that aren’t readily visible with day or night vision optics. If I locate a heat source and it’s human shaped and moves in a bi pedal fashion, it probably isn’t a human being in these remote areas.
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RichardD

They have stealth tracers now that illuminate the back side of the bullet that are only visible to the shooter. The thermal imaging camera with an 1,800 foot range should be particularly useful for locating Bigfoot and other potential dangers that aren’t readily visible with day or night vision optics. If I locate a heat source and it’s human shaped and moves in a bi pedal fashion, it probably isn’t a human being in these remote areas.

RichardD

They have stealth tracers now that illuminate the back side of the bullet that are only visible to the shooter. The thermal imaging camera with an 1,800 foot range should be particularly useful for locating Bigfoot and other potential dangers that aren’t readily visible with day or night vision optics. If I locate a heat source and it’s human shaped and moves in a bi pedal fashion, it probably isn’t a human being in these remote areas. Night vision with IR illuminator:

http://image.dhgate.com/0x0/f2/albu/g4/M00/64/B5/rBVaEVewH06AWvN_AAEXPTkgm4k591.jpg

RichardD
SurfaceBook

just stop replying to yourself , it smacks of loneliness of your real life where you have to pretend to be ex military to seek attention

RichardD

Your a confused and paranoid fool who claims that posting pictures of special operations weapons showing special operations capability and writing comments on these topics on a military analysis site covering military and special forces news means that the person posting them doesn’t have military and special forces training and experience and is a fraud. If you have such a warped and twisted perspective and aversion to these topics, why do you even come here and insult and make false allegations against people here who unlike you are telling the truth and know what they’re talking about?

SurfaceBook

a real veteran or operator wont post his toy pistol or rifle just to show off.. only a wanna be commando do that.

you think you gain respect by showing off firearms ? it just make you a sad part of the gun culture

RichardD

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“Cutting edge weapons for special forces presented at National Guard training ground.”

https://en.censor.net.ua/photo_news/360497/cutting_edge_weapons_for_special_forces_presented_at_national_guard_training_ground_photos

SurfaceBook

nice google image search result.. i hope you understand copy right laws

RichardD

You’ve just been caught in another lie, and now you’re trying to divert attention from it.

SurfaceBook

look here kid, any sane person knows that those people who posted gun pictures to get praised are in reality mentally sick , as they think showing off their guns give them permission to be a wanna be commando.

you are prime example of a FAKE military , where you post pistol and rifle collectiond and then boast you once belonged to the special force elite..

you are delusional child

RichardD

You just got caught in another lie and now you’re wasting my time with more of your lies, false accusations and refusal to conduct a rational fact based debate using the scientific method, judicial process and judicial quality evidence that you use to navigate your life every day. Because you’re a scam. Just like all of your man in a monkey suit scammers who’ve been exposed for their lies, just like you’ve repeatedly been exposed for yours.
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SurfaceBook

what is the point posting pictures of rifles ? are you truly that juvenile thinking people will respect you if you post gun pictures ? you are really sick and you dont know it

RichardD

You’ve repeatedly demonstrated that you know nothing about special operations and weapons. Yet you falsely claim that by looking at the pictures of this equipment being posted on the internet that you can tell that the person posting them is lying. So who’s the liar liar?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w1fgme6ArTs/UaaEc5RemMI/AAAAAAAAE04/PbNqoR7gYYI/s1600/ATACKA+VSS+VINTOREZ+(2).jpg

SurfaceBook

This is the prime example of a delusional person , who posted pistol and gun collection he supposedly own , and bragging about being ex marine and special force and dhe demand respect or else

such behaviour is on the category of mentally deranged..

RichardD

You said that special forces people would never post pictures of their guns on the internet, you lied. You said that the consensus of researchers is that the PG film is fake, you lied. I proved you wrong. You’re wasting my time with your semi illiterate ignorance and pathological liar mental disorder.

SurfaceBook

you aint spec ops , you just a wanna be pretender.. buzz off

RichardD

You’ve demonstrated zero knowledge about special operations.

This is you:

“Pathological lying (also called pseudologia fantastica and mythomania) is a behavior of habitual or compulsive lying.”

– Pathological lying –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying

“in·fe·ri·or·i·ty com·plex
noun
an unrealistic feeling of general inadequacy caused by actual or supposed inferiority in one sphere, sometimes marked by aggressive behavior in compensation.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=inferiority+complex&oq=inferiority+complex&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.9132j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

SurfaceBook

Comment section are for commenting on the related articles above , not to post off topic comments with your (fantasy) of being a commando. You are just a troll who seek attention , not a hasbara because you are too stupid to be a hasbara troll and thats a very low bar , considering only the dregs of israeli citizens works for the hasbara disinformation department

RichardD

You’ve been proven to be a habitual liar. My posts are true. So who’s the disinfo troll troll?

SurfaceBook

i guess this is the sign that you now close your ears and yells ‘lalalalala’ and then post spam repeatedly because you know you been had

SurfaceBook

You post pictures of guns and now you want respect ?

do you know how stupid you sound ?

RichardD

You’ve been proven to be a habitual liar. My posts are true. So who’s the disinfo troll troll?

SurfaceBook

reported as spam

RichardD

You are the proven liar and disinfo troll spamming these threads with habitual lies. You lied about the consensus of researchers on the PG film that doesn’t exist, that special forces don’t post pictures of their guns, when they do, which proves according to you, that anyone who does is a fake and psycho, and other lies that I’m not going to waste my time listing.

SurfaceBook

stop copy pasting your own posts.. or is this all your low IQ can give ?

SurfaceBook

reported as spam again , due to excessive copy pasting and lack of originality

RichardD

You are the proven liar and disinfo troll spamming these threads with habitual lies. You repeatedly lied about the consensus of researchers on the PG film that it’s fake, when no such consensus exists. That special forces don’t post pictures of their guns, when they do. Which “proves”, according to you, that anyone who does post pictures of their guns is a fake and psycho. Which makes your alleged “proof” that I’m lying based in the lie that your posting. And you’ve posted other lies that I’m not going to waste my time listing. You’re a truth hating liar and head case spamming these threads with inflammatory disinfo .

SurfaceBook

yes yes , another copy paste from the fake marine…

SurfaceBook

Again, reported as Spam

too bad all these copy paste spam do not hide the fact that you are a wannabe military pretender who want ‘respect just because you post gun photos you downloaded from internet

SurfaceBook

hey why dont you post more toy pistol and toy guns again ? wannabe commando like you love toys

RichardD

I wasn’t replying to myself. I was rubbing your disinfo troll nose in your filthy inflammatory lies, false allegations and ignorant rejection of the scientific method, judicial process and judicial quality evidence.

SurfaceBook

you seem more and more confused , i suggest stop taking recreational drugs and stop fantasizing about ‘bigfoot’ encounter that you never had..

FlorianGeyer

That looks rather nice. I want one :)

RichardD

It makes it a lot more difficult for hostiles to hide.

SurfaceBook

wont do you jack if the hostiles caught you when you asleep

RichardD
SurfaceBook

wont do you jack if they wait for an ambush when you go out of your house , or disable alarm and whack you in your bed.. what ? human are thinking beings unlike animals , they will monitor your patterns and attack when you the weakest.

you think that toy guns going to save you ? silly , too many movies i digress

RichardD

They’re not going to disable the alarm with sticks and stones, or be able to hide from thermal imaging.

SurfaceBook

who gonna man the imagers 24/7 ? you and what army ? they will come to you when you sleep or dozed off and thats the end of you and your fancy gadgets..

RichardD

I’ll sleep at the base camp with perimeter security consisting of lights, alarms, motion detectors and game cameras. When I’m out on patrol I’ll scan the surroundings with day and night vision optics and sensors and use special operations training and experience on an as needed basis. They’re looking for victims, not a fight.

SurfaceBook

easy in theory , impossible in practice… a common group of thugs can easily overwhelm you and all the fancy call of duty toys will be for naught.

as for evidence , so far you only posted random internet images of toy guns.. what is this evidence you claimed ?

RichardD

Are you stupid? The thread is full of judicial quality evidence. A group of thugs is going to take out an experienced operator armed to the teeth, what fantasy land do you live in?

SurfaceBook

Look , real world do not work like those games you played so much , call of duty ..

and just because you play Call of Duty dont give you the right to claim yourself as experienced operator.. also having toy pistols and rifles dont make you commando..

you need a good dose of reality , and im telling you this for your own sake , as you seem delusional about guns and ability to use it , as if having guns will make you a special force commando..

get a grip

RichardD

I’ve never played of call of duty and I have commando training, experience and equipment. As the pictures show.

SurfaceBook

the pictures can be had from anywhere on the net , please … a real warrior dont post toy pistols and rifles , they are too busy in the field.. you on the other hand , think that a couple of pistol and rifle make you commando and brag on the net ?

that’s so obvious mr fake commando

RichardD

That’s my equipment. Do you have a problem with that, what guns do you own and what’s your experience with guns?

SurfaceBook

only children and wannabe commando shows his pistol and rifles like that , it is the mark of an immature mindset who think everyone will respect him if he show his pistol/rifle collection..

a delusional mind

RichardD

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you say that they’re not mine, and now you say they are. That’s called you’ve got head problems.

SurfaceBook

l am not the one pretending to be ex marine AND ex special force because you own a little pistol

RichardD

If your gun jams in a combat situation, what do you do and how do you do it?

SurfaceBook

you the super commando asked me how to clear a jam ? i thought you know all these things from reading books ..

RichardD

Wrong answer. If you don’t even know how to clear a jam in a fire fight. Then your opinion on these types of matters is coming from someone who is ignorant and unqualified to make judgments on people with real training, experience and equipment.

SurfaceBook

then again , you dont know how to clear simple jam.. why bother asking here and expose your fake wannabe credentials ?

RichardD

To show that you’re an incompetent ignorant liar who hasn’t a clue of what they’re talking about. And is making false allegations against truthers who do to divert attention from your deficiencies.

RichardD

If you believe that. Then why are you on a site that posts pictures of weapons used by military personnel 7 days a week, are they all children and wannabes, and you accuse me of disrespecting people? You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth like a lying confused disrespectful head case. You come to this site to look at real weapons used by real military personnel. Just like the pictures that I’ve posted are real weapons used by someone who is what they say that they are.

You say that you know better than Bill Munns, the University of Iowa, and Disney and Universal executives and special effects technicians. And that the PG film is fake when they say it’s not. Yet you’ve offered no evidence to disprove them or answered any questions about what your qualifications are to make assessments on any of these matters. You’re the one with the credibility deficit trying to divert attention from it by making unfounded allegations based on no evidence and no stated expertise of your own.

SurfaceBook

no , you provide ZERO evidence , what you provide are fake video and dubious audio of something screaming.

you are a liar and now as you got caught you tried to weasel your way out

RichardD

You are the liar, not me, as the evidence that I’ve provided proves. The PG tape is authenticated by experts. That’s court admissible evidence. The pictures of my guns of the type used in special operations every day are evidence admissible in a court of law. Your saying that this isn’t evidence when you know that this type of evidence is used in courts of law every day proves that you’re a habitual liar.

SurfaceBook

no experts call PG video as real.. you just imagining things..

RichardD

That’s a bald face lie easily disproven by simply reviewing the large volume of judicial quality evidence and expert opinions that I’ve posted on this thread. Your denying that it exists just proves what kind of pathological liar that you are.

SurfaceBook

im sorry , you are the one who constantly spout lies ever since you joined Disqus.. and now you want to shift the blame ?

RichardD

What lies? Copy and paste what I’ve written, explain why it’s a lie, and then provide evidence to support your explanation. Which you’re not going to do, because you can’t disprove what I’ve written. Because you’re the false accuser and liar, not me. I’ve made rational arguments supported by quality evidence. Most of your arguments aren’t rational and you’ve provided zero evidence. You constantly lie and say that I haven’t provided proof when obviously I have provided a great deal of proof.

SurfaceBook

strawman argument ? that’s to be expected from a liar and delusional gun nut like you..

post more toy pistol and guns please , show us how tough and scary you ex commando ex marine he-man

RichardD

You say that you know better than Bill Munns, the University of Iowa, and Disney and Universal executives and special effects technicians. And that the PG film is fake when they say it’s not. What evidence do you have disproving these studies and assessments from qualified experts that say that the film is genuine?

SurfaceBook

people can be wrong , what ? do you think anyone from university always right ? how simple your brain are

RichardD

If you claim that they are wrong, then you need to prove that they are wrong. I’ve looked at the evidence that I’ve provided in depth and I don’t see any significant mistakes in it. You’ve neither provided any rational argument disproving the evidence that I’ve provided is mistaken or evidence to support your arguments.

SurfaceBook

you are the one providing fake audio/video and you are the one bringing up ‘expert’ testimony , and you expect people to just believe in you ?

you are watching too many TV Courtroom drama

RichardD

Yes, I think that a lot of people will agree with the evidence that I’ve provided. Your saying that it’s fake when you’ve been proven wrong over and over again. Doesn’t mean much when you can’t prove that it’s fake or disprove anything that I’ve written with evidence and rational arguments. You don’t even provide rational arguments in most of your comments. And you haven’t provided any evidence to support any of your arguments. Nor have you provided what your qualifications are. So a lot of people reading your posts probably think that you’re some kind of nut case.

RichardD

What straw man argument? You have zero proof for any of your false allegations. You’re a habitual liar and head case.

SurfaceBook

childish ,again you got caught trying to insert non related strawman argument , and now you panicked since you cant retort

RichardD

What straw man argument? This is just another of your false allegations that illustrate the pathological liar personality disorder that you suffer from.

SurfaceBook

you are a liar and a fool , an arrogant foolish liar … not a good combination there hoss

RichardD

You can’t prove any of your false accusations. So you don’t even try. Your a pathological liar with an ingrained personality disorder who just compounds your repetitive lies with more lies. As I’ve proven numerous times on this thread.

SurfaceBook

this just sad , now you claim you see UFO , Bigfoot and also member of elite super commando team..

this is what so bad about today’s youth , they play video games like call of duty and suddenly think they can be real commando because they know how to slaughter pixellated terrorist , and then they move forward and buy firearms thinking this make them real commando.. in the end this balanced youth will be using his firearms to shoot his coworkers ..

just sad

RichardD

I’m 60 years old, outside of the rare visit to an arcade, I can’t remember ever having played a video game in my life. I have USMC, special forces, private security and ET/ED contact training and experience.

You seem out of touch with reality and to be a habitual liar. Those aren’t toys, they’re real weapons and I know how to use them at a competent level.

I’ve asked you what your experience is and you’ve refused to answer the question. Is that because you have none?

SurfaceBook

please dont disrespect serving and veteran miliary members by falsely claiming you are in the ‘special force’

you know Stolen Valor ? they are the one hunting fake SEALs fake Green berets fake marines..

enjoy being hunted by Stolen Valor guys

RichardD

You can’t prove your false accusations. And you haven’t answered the questions of what your training and experience are. Probably because you have none.

SurfaceBook

a wanna-be commando asking other people’s qualification , because he have no qualification and tried to change the subject..

you are the one claiming being a marine and a special force , extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence , and so far you have posted no evidence of your alleged military service..

RichardD

You are the one who has posted no evidence to support your claims, not I.

RichardD

What are you hiding, that you have have no training, experience and weapons and that your opinion is that of a know nothing? From the sounds of it, you probably would end up dead, which is why you’re such a coward.

SurfaceBook

Psychological 101 , anyone posting pistol and rifle photos are just kids or immature adults trying to act tough , this delusion get worse , the person become delusional enough to think he really a member of military or a veteran because he shot some pistol / rifle in the range.

you are caught pretending to be ex military , you are a poser and a liar

RichardD

You make a lot of false accusations with zero proof to support them. You’re a habitual liar and head case.

SurfaceBook

i think the habit of providing nonsense and fakery as evidence is your forte

RichardD

Judicial quality evidence of the type used in courts every day that I’ve provided large quantities of proves my points. The only thing that you’ve proven is that lying and making unsupported false accusations is an ingrained part of your personality disorder, and that you have no evidence or qualifications to support anything that you say.

SurfaceBook

you are repeating yourself , all those nonsense post you put up to hide your lies..

admit it , you got caught in a lie and now scramble to cover yourself

RichardD

I haven’t lied about anything. Nor have you disproven anything that I’ve written. You’re the one whose gotten caught lying over and over again. And has been proven wrong repeatedly with quality evidence supporting rational arguments.

RichardD

I have a DD-214 and am still running special operations at 60 years old, do you?

For someone who hasn’t offered a single iota of proof for anything that they’ve written, and who habitually ignores and rejects copious quantities of quality evidence that I’ve provided that they’re incapable of disproving, and who refuses to answer questions about what, if any training, experience or equipment that they have or don’t have.

It’s clear that you don’t want to know what the truth is, prefer to live you’re life with blinders on ignorant of the truth, and are some type of comment board crank into wasting people’s time with false accusations, stupidity, and disinformation.

SurfaceBook

running special operations at 60 years old… what special operation ? false-teeth operation granpa ? You should never claim to be real soldiers , there’s real veterans who hunt for posers like you , you will get reported and put on their hall of shame..

RichardD

You’re looking at the weapons I use, that you ignorantly call toys. You’ve provided zero evidence to support your claims and have disproven none of the large volume of evidence that I’ve provided. All the while refusing to say what, if any experience you have. What are you hiding, that you’re a wannabe expert with no experience, training or weapons of your own?

SurfaceBook

your pride on these pistols and guns indicate you have mental health problem. Then there’s the fantasy of being a marine AND a special forces , you are too deep in this delusion of your’s..

i suggest lay off what recreational drugs you been injectng

RichardD

Your statements put you in the suicidal loon department. Try going into a life threatening situation where only guns can protect you without them and see how long that you last. You clearly know nothing about guns or armed security. You probably don’t even own one or know how to use them.

SurfaceBook

careful , your comment showed you admit you are a poser , a wannabe and a liar.. watching too many war movies makes you commando ?

RichardD

My comment shows rational judgement gained from real life training and experience. Your constant lies and false allegations unsupported by evidence or what your qualifications are to even offer a competent opinion on these issues. Shows that you’re a serial liar and crank.

SurfaceBook

training for a fake commando ? you mean call of duty sessions ? im sure you killed many pixellated enemies and now think you are supercommando or something

RichardD

My comment shows rational judgement gained from real life training and experience. Your constant lies and false allegations unsupported by evidence or what your qualifications are to even offer a competent opinion on these issues. Shows that you’re a serial liar and crank.

You haven’t responded to a lot of my recent replies because the evidence and arguments that they support are so obviously true. That you have no rational response. Your repetitive posting of foolish nonsense about your adolescent obsession with video games illustrates your complete lack of sensible arguments or quality evidence to support them. Because you have none. You’re a pathological liar and fool.

RichardD

They need to get past this, which is easier said than done. 200 grain hard cast lead .40 S&W coming out of a 16 inch barrel has 3 feet of large dangerous game penetration capability. You can stop an elephant or polar bear with it at close range in an emergency:
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SurfaceBook

pointless , they will get you when you sleep.. and the nice toys will be their loot..

RichardD

The alarm will wake me up, and then I’ll deal with the situation.

SurfaceBook

more likely the alarm is disabled and you wake up already tied up or worse

RichardD

Disabled by who and how?

RichardD

.223 Tracer and green tip armor piercing. I also have a 30-06 with black tip armor piercing:
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SurfaceBook

nice toys for the looters , after they overwhelmed you

RichardD

They have to get close enough to overwhelm me. Which won’t be easy with thermal and night vision optics. And semi autos with high cap mags.

SurfaceBook

easy , when you sleep , they come into your room and neutralize you .. all those fancy toys you got ? looted clean

RichardD

By who and how, primates at the sticks and stone level? I really doubt it.

SurfaceBook

primate at stick and stone level will bum rush you and overwhelm you in numbers , attacking when you are asleep and even if you wake up you will be too scared / overwhelmed with fear and cannot plink your toy guns like when you fire in the range..

Primates 1 , RichardD 0

RichardD

I’m not a coward like you. You take out the lead one and the rest will think twice about continuing the attack. Didn’t you ever take defensive handgun training for dealing with multiple ARMED assailants? Don’t you know how to use cover and defensive positions?

SurfaceBook

explain how do you take ‘defensive’ handgun position when they disable your alarm and take away your toys ? blabbing about how many toy pistols and rifles you got is indication you are only superficial dabbler , as anyone serious wont focus on ‘toys’ like you but more on wargaming the situations beforehand..

they will come when you are tired and asleep , and no amount of high tech mumbo jumbo toys will save you..

RichardD

I’ve asked you before how primates with sticks and stones are going to disable the security systems and sneak up on me. And you’ve refused to answer the question. Maybe I won’t take a defensive position. Maybe I’ll take offensive action and go after them.

SurfaceBook

sorry , you over estimated yourself because you think your nice fancy toy guns make you good soldier.. there’s more than just toys in real war..

RichardD

Try answering the question.

RichardD

9mm loaded with +p penetration rounds 1, massive predator 0

http://preparedgunowners.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/grizzly-9mm-2.jpg

SurfaceBook

there you go again , blabbing about toys and things.. im sure if you are alone in the wild with your nice toy pistol surrounded by vicious predators all around , you wont survive a day..

ganging up on single animal is not even hunting , try hunting real predator like how hunters hunt tiger in india.. what’s the point of hunting if you got all the advantage and no risk ? that’s what i call tourist hunters..

RichardD

What is it about they’re unarmed and I’m heavily armed that you don’t understand, do you think that I have advanced weapons just to take cool pictures of them?

SurfaceBook

there’s this thing called rock and stone that they can throw at you and destroy you and your toys

RichardD

If they try that, they’re liable to get shot. And my bullets travel a lot farther than their sticks and stones.

SurfaceBook

your ‘bullets’ dont help much if they bum rush your position and overwhelmed you inside your sleeping bag.. nice try , real world a person need to rest and sleep … only in videogames you can go by without sleep and still kill 10000 pixellated enemies..

go back to your call of duty videogames kid

RichardD

First they have to get close enough to avoid being shot. How are they going to do that without setting off the alarms? The short answer is their not. I told you that I don’t play video games, yet you keep bringing it up. It’s irrelevant. I sleep with a gun next to my head and bed. Why are you hiding what your training, experience and weapons are? Probably because you don’t have any.

SurfaceBook

Only wanna be commando sleep with gun on your head..

based on your post , you are an amateur gun nut who think he is tough dude because he own guns , and his delusion become more and more severe by day , making him think he is an ex commando..

really , you should seek help , before you go postal and kill people with your guns

RichardD

Sane rational people who don’t want to get killed sleep with a gun next to their head. You’ve completely disqualified yourself as to knowing anything about guns or special operations with an idiotic, moronic statement like that. You clearly have zero knowledge and experience about threat management. Idiots like you are the first ones to die.

SurfaceBook

and you qualified how ? because you own few toy pistols that make you a man ?

RichardD

Coming from someone who constantly lies and falsely calls what’s obviously real advanced special operations grade weapons and equipment toy pistols. You’ve destroyed your own credibility without me even having to do it myself with evidence to support my argument.

The fact that I own and have in depth knowledge of how to use this type of advanced equipment. As I’ve repeatedly demonstrated. Is far more proof of my qualifications than your incessant lies, false allegations and credibility deficit trying to denigrate my experience and capabilities.

SurfaceBook

look here kiddo , posting photos of your pistols and your rifles dont make you a commando , it only show you as a gun nut and a future mass murderer when you go postal..

it just sad that people like you who own firearms suddenly think you are commando in real life .. dressing up in camo and firing your ‘small’ arms in firing range doesnt qualify you as a commando ..

RichardD

You can’t disprove that what is obviously special operations grade weapons provides me with the capability to run these types of ops. And is far more proof supporting what I’ve written. Than anything that you’ve provided trying to disprove it.

RichardD

What training, experience and weapons do you have to offer a competent opinion on these matters? I have a lot, so far from you I’ve seen zero. What I have seen is you repeatedly reject the scientific method and judicial process. Which says to me that you’re a comment board crank wannabe expert who is a fraud who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

SurfaceBook

on the contrary , it is you who proudly boast that your nice toy gun and bullets will protect you from attackers. Anyone even boy scouts know that one cant stay up 24/7 to stand on guard , which PROVE that you are a wanna be commando because you miss the obvious..

RichardD

They weren’t hunting moron, they were fishing, see the fishing boots that they’re wearing. These people were in imminent danger of being mauled or killed. And the guide protected them with a compact 9mm loaded with specialty penetration ammunition for large dangerous game. The same type of 9mm with the same type of ammo that I have. That at close range will do a lot of damage to a Big Foot. One round with 18 inches of penetration into the cranial cavity will put this creature into more pain and debilitation than it’s ever experienced in it’s life. Double taps, two to the head and two to the chest will probably take it down. If you knew anything about gun fighting you’d know that. Evidently you’re completely ignorant of these matters with all of your talk about toys, video games and being bum rushed.

SurfaceBook

sigh

you are creative when left to your fertile imagination.. but you talk too much of your toys and anyone or anything can whack you easy in the wild while you dream of your guns..

RichardD

Your saying that and your proving it are two different things. With your abysmal credibility deficit stemming from your constant lies and failure to support any of your arguments with evidence of your own. And your failure to even state what your qualifications are to offer a competent opinion on the matter. Your unsupported allegations in the face of quality evidence that I’ve provided of special operations grade weapons and equipment that I own and know how to use. Makes you the one with the credibility deficit and fertile imagination, not me.

SurfaceBook

keep twisting words , nothing will cover up your lies

RichardD

What lies? Name one and then disprove it with evidence. You can’t, all that you can do is make false allegations about non existent lies that you claim that I’ve written. You’re the one twisting words not me. You haven’t proven a single lie that you falsely accuse me of. I’ve disproven a number of your lies.

SurfaceBook

again , what evidence beside the fake stuff you posted… audio of bigfoot ? yea right , no sane person would believe that

RichardD

Bill Munns is a highly competent, qualified and experienced researcher who says it’s real. I’ve provided his videos, a university study, and expert testimony from Hollywood specialist saying it’s real. You’ve provided ziltch and have ignored this expert judicial quality evidence and lied saying that it doesn’t exist when it’s all over this thread.

SurfaceBook

But it is not bill munn who lied here , it is you who provide fake video and fake audio.. bringing up munns’s name dont help your cause

RichardD

What fake video? Munns’ and the others work proves that film is genuine and not a fake. And that I’m providing judicial quality evidence to support my arguments and am telling the truth. And that I’m correct in my assessment that the creature in the film is real and not a fake. You’re providing no evidence to support your arguments, are a semi illiterate liar, and are incorrect that the film and creature are fake.

Not only have qualified experts concluded that the film is not a fake. They’ve disproved some of the claims that it is fake being circulated by scammers:

“The Patterson-Gimlin film’s authenticity is supported by a full Professor of anatomy and anthropology and expert on foot morphology along with locomotion in primates, Dr. Jeff Meldrum. In this video he takes on debunking arguments and explains why the 10 footprint casts collected at the site solidifies the case that the figure in the video is a real Bigfoot.

Furthermore, there is the film analysis of Bill Munns and National Geographic showing the subject’s proportions do not match that of any known human. This is coupled with his experimental work trying to build A Bigfoot costume to match the look of the 1967 film, resulting in his co-authorship of a peer-reviewed paper with Meldrum showing that the film subject is consistent with real anatomy and not a Bigfoot suit. Munns studied film and worked for 35 years making monsters for films, museums, and wildlife exhibits, thus is also highly-qualified for the study have done. Their conclusions cannot be dismissed. …

2) Hieronimous is still not able to demonstrate a matching costume, even with expert assistance. As the Hieronimus crew continues to introduce new costumes, to more closely approximate the Patterson creature, the more obvious it is that Hieronimus didn’t have anything do with it the first time either.

3) Hieronimous does not know anything about the route to get to the film site, as if he was never there.

4) His explanation for why he never asked for the $1,000 from Gimlin or Patterson … doesn’t make any sense. Many things in his confession make no sense.

5) When Hieronimous is asked why he’s telling this story to the public 40 years later, he says “It’s my turn now” … refering to the other parasite scammers who have made claims about the footage in previous years.

6) The comparative visuals clearly show that the Patterson creature has a different skeleton than Bob Hieronimous (or any human, for that matter). See the comparative footage on the left.”

– Debunking Claimed Patterson-Gimlin Film Bigfoot Hoaxer Bob Heironimus –

http://undebunkingbigfoot.blogspot.com/2013/11/debunking-claimed-bigfoot-cosume-hoaxer.html

SurfaceBook

keep on repeating those lies dont make that fake video / audio more real.

you are a sad little manchild that grasping pitifully on imaginary tales , while proudly owning guns and pistols and pretending to be a commando..

sad life

RichardD

You didn’t answer the question. What fake video? Munns’ and the others work proves that film is genuine and not a fake.

SurfaceBook

Stop spamming fake facts , you wannabe commando pretender

SurfaceBook

reported as spam

RichardD

You have posted far more repetitive mindless comments than I have. Because you have no proof to support your lies, so you just keep repeating the same lies and false accusations over and over. Because you’re a lying idiot and imbecile incapable of supporting your stupidity with credible evidence. And who rejects credible evidence, the scientific method and judicial process because they expose your lies, insanity and false accusations for what they are.

SurfaceBook

it just sad , posting a fake audio and video of bigfoot then got ‘angry’ because people questioning the amateurish hoaxes ..

you dont even know what you talking about

SurfaceBook

patterson gimlin filmis a fake movie of bigfoot

SurfaceBook

Patterson Gimlin film was a HOAX and never authenticated as real. The only one keep saying it is real is the huckster group that infect real bigfoot research..

you are part of the huckster and liar group

RichardD

You’re evading the question because you’re lying and making false accusations. Bill Munns is a highly competent, qualified and experienced researcher who says it’s real. I’ve provided his videos, a university study, and expert testimony from Hollywood executives and specialists saying it’s real. You’ve provided ziltch and have ignored this expert judicial quality evidence and lied saying that it doesn’t exist when it’s all over this thread.

After 50 years where’s your man in a monkey suite video proving that the PG film is fake? It doesn’t exist because the creature in the film is a different species with different anatomy that moves differently and can’t be duplicated by a man in a monkey suit. Did you even watch the Munns video? It goes through all of this in detail using extensive scientific analysis. The only thing that you’ve proven is your aversion to the scientific method and judicial quality evidence and your preference instead to ignore reality, lie and make false accusations habitually.

SurfaceBook

stop bringing bill muns , he is at very least a researcher albeit took a wrong conclusion.. you on the other hand , a liar with fake video and fake audio , pretending to be an expert..

just .. stop. it.. you poser

RichardD

So according to you all of these highly qualified experts are wrong, Munns, the University of Idaho study, the Disney and Universal executives and specialists and all of the others in the Wikipedia article that say that it’s not fake have got it wrong. Where are the errors in Munns’ and the others work? You saying that they’re wrong given your mental problems with being semi illiterate, your lack of stated qualifications and being caught in chronic lying is meaningless.

Where specificaly have all of these experts made mistakes? I don’t see any, and if you refuse to point any out, that means you don’t either.

I see plenty of errors in the debunkers positions. Some of them are clearly liars and scammers. They all claim that it’s a monkey suit. But after 50 years nobody has ever produced one, let alone made a film with it that would get past the experts saying that the PG film isn’t a fake.

SurfaceBook

highly qualified experts can be wrong , or are you truly that naive

RichardD

It is you who are wrong. You’ve disproven nothing that these experts have proven.

SurfaceBook

spamming same stuff multiple times dont make your lies any better .. it still lies and fake data points.. you so childish , go play with your toy pistols and pretend you an ex commando

SurfaceBook

posting same stuff over and over dont make it any true.. keep on lying

SurfaceBook

it is deemed fake by most bigfoot researcher , and a glance of PG movie showed a man in ape suit walking casually with human style walk

RichardD

You brazenly lied and said that the PG film was deemed fake by a consensus of researchers in the face of evidence that there is no such consensus. Your credibility has been impeached and you’re trying to distract attention from your credibility deficit by changing your story.

SurfaceBook

Patterson Gimlin film are deemed fake by many bigfoot researchers. The only ‘defense’ from hucksters like you is the ‘impossible to fake by hollywood’ nonsense.

no real bigfoot would be caught dead walking in front of humans.. they always aware and in control during encounters

SurfaceBook

so childish posting spam post.. i guess this is typical of liars when confronted with truth

RichardD

Your head is so messed up that you’ve yet to post a single grammatically correct sentence. Have you tried to get help for your mental disabilities? What is your occupation, welfare recipient? Is that why you won’t answer what your qualifications are? Because the only thing that your qualified to do is collect public assistance. Or are you in some correctional facility someplace? Did you even graduate from high school?

SurfaceBook

now you need to calm down , your mental health at stakr here , i doubt you realize how serious this delusional mind of yours..

go seek help , pronto

RichardD

You’re the one who’s head is so messed up that you’re semi illiterate and can’t even reach the level of elementary school level writing competency. What were you diagnosed as suffering from?

SurfaceBook

mr gun nut who fantasize as a super commando , lay of the drugs will ya

RichardD

You’re the one who’s head is so messed up that you’re semi illiterate and can’t even reach the level of elementary school level writing competency. What were you diagnosed as suffering from?

SurfaceBook

disgusting , now you resort to spamming lies ? no wonder , this come from a person who play commando with pistols and rifles..

SurfaceBook

no , the movie show a man wearing some kind of suit walking in human gait , the camera intentionally shaked by the perpetrators to give illusion of panic

SurfaceBook

nope , PG movie is fake bigfoot video

World_Eye

Damn man you equip yourself with Thermal cameras and Assault rifles is it really a bigfoot in your community place. If there is one poor him, you bought a lot of ammo though.

Bill Wilson

try Amazon!

SurfaceBook

bullshit , bigfoot are non physical aka paranormal entities , they wont show on EM band.. just ask those outdoorsman who frequent california’s northen woods and how they use native american indian methods to see bigfoots

RichardD

I’ve had close encounters with them, have you? This creature is flesh and blood, they’re as physical as you or I. If ETs are managing them, that explains a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us6jo8bl2lk

SurfaceBook

multiple experts conclude it is as fake , what ? you think you the only one doing deep research on bigfoot including trip to the biggest flap zone in US ? you dont even mention the place where theres massive bigfoot event.. hint , it just aside from indian reservation , not in the reservation itself.

one might glance at the statistics of encounters/sightings and wonder why theres almost no event INSIDE the reservation itself ..

name the zone , it is the most basic knowledge for a bigfoot researcher..

RichardD

Multiple experts conclude that it’s real. Hollywood said that they couldn’t do it. It was before computer generated graphics. Your “experts” in their monkey suits have NEVER duplicated it and are obviously lying and or incompetent.

SurfaceBook

who is this ‘hollywood’ you kept refering to ? a living person ? a single entity ? a spokeperson for the diverse entertainment industry ?

give this ‘hollywood’ money and they will create evidence of bigfoot and UFO and nessie all at once

RichardD

“Film industry personnel

Movie production companies’ executives

Dale Sheets and Universal Studios. Patterson, Gimlin, and DeAtley[236] screened the film for Dale Sheets, head of the Documentary Film Department, and unnamed technicians[114] “in the special effects department at Universal Studios in Hollywood … Their conclusion was: ‘We could try (faking it), but we would have to create a completely new system of artificial muscles and find an actor who could be trained to walk like that. It might be done, but we would have to say that it would be almost impossible.'”[237] A more moderate version of their opinion was, “if it is [a man in an ape suit], it’s a very good one—a job that would take a lot of time and money to produce.”[238]

Disney executive Ken Peterson. Krantz reports that in 1969, John Green (who owned a first-generation copy of the original Patterson film)[239] interviewed Disney executive Ken Peterson, who, after viewing the Patterson film, asserted “that their technicians would not be able to duplicate the film”.[114][234][240] Krantz argues that if Disney personnel were unable to duplicate the film, there is little likelihood that Patterson could have done so. Greg Long writes, “Byrne cited his trip to Walt Disney studios in 1972, where Disney’s chief of animation and four assistants viewed Patterson’s footage and praised it as a beautiful piece of work although, they said, it must have been shot in a studio. When Byrne told them it had been shot in the woods of Northern California, ‘They shook their heads and walked away.'””

– Patterson–Gimlin film –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson%E2%80%93Gimlin_film#Film_industry_personnel

SurfaceBook

Patterson Gimlin , again , this movie is not a proof of anyting except a human in a suit walking in human like gait. the whole bigfoot community are divided into physical side and spiritual side of bigfoot , and there’s no evidence of both sides , except witness statements with zero proof..

this is modern world where you have to have physical / material evidence to back your claim.. repeatedly using this fake PG film and touting it as ‘evidence’ is rather dishonest even bordering on perpetuating a HOAX

RichardD

Your opinion isn’t a lab report or expert testimony. You can’t disprove it because it’s real. So you don’t even try.

SurfaceBook

The Concensus of Bigfoot Researchers put the PG movie as fakery. I am not the one disproving it , the majority bigfoot researchers in CONUS said so.

the problem is you cannot accept it , so the issue here is you

RichardD

I’ve provided a ton of quality evidence, you’ve provided zero. If you want to be taken seriously, show me a lab report from a credible institution that does this type of work professionally proving that the PG film is fake. You can’t, because it’s real and after 50 years no such report exists. A couple of amateur researchers out in the middle of the wilderness were incapable of faking it.

Read the Wikipedia article that I linked to. There is no consensus that it’s fake. The exact opposite is true. Qualified professionals like those that I’ve quoted say that it’s not fake.

SurfaceBook

no , what you provide are unproven movie / audio and only in your mind it is called ‘evidence’

you just want to believe and lost your objectivity and critical thinking

RichardD

Your false accusations are ignoring the scientific method and judicial quality evidence that I’ve provide large quantities of. So who has the aversion to objectivity and critical thinking?

SurfaceBook

large quantities of subjective video and audio recording of ‘something’ is not admissible for evidence in bigfoot case.. your personal belief do not count toward evidence..

RichardD

Video is admissible as prima facia evidence in a court of law. Your saying that it isn’t means you’re lying, or you don’t know what you’re talking about or both.

SurfaceBook

a known fake video from PG wont be admissible in court , except kangaroo court

RichardD

Video is admissible as prima facia evidence in a court of law. Your saying that it isn’t means you’re lying, or you don’t know what you’re talking about or both.

SurfaceBook

not a video that was deemed as FAKE by concensus

RichardD

Given your history of lies and failure to support any of your arguments with evidence of your own. Your saying that it was proven fake by consensus is meaningless in the face of overwhelming quality evidence that I’ve provided supporting my arguments that no such consensus exists. And that the exact opposite is true. That many researchers have concluded that the film is genuine.

RichardD

Given your history of lies and failure to support any of your arguments with evidence of your own. Your saying that it was proven fake by consensus is meaningless in the face of overwhelming quality evidence that I’ve provided supporting my arguments that no such consensus exists. And that the exact opposite is true. That many researchers have concluded that the film is genuine.

SurfaceBook

yes many researchers also tag the PG video as fake , but you are not in the same level as true researcher , you just a little man with little pistol and little rifle for bragging..

you truly a lost cause , i really pity you

RichardD

You’re a truth hater and a fear monger who wants to live in ignorance. I don’t place much value in the opinion of someone who rejects truth, the scientific method and judicial standards of evidence.

SurfaceBook

so far i havent seen you post facts based on evidence. so far what you post are nonsensical subjective campfire stories with ZERO evidence. You even posted the fake PG film , a mark of a bigfoot huckster. and then you posted your pistol and rifle collection while claiming you are ex commando or whatever rock your boat..

and you want people to believe all your crap ?

world dont work that way kid

RichardD

You haven’t disproven the PG film. You haven’t even provided any evidence to support anything that you say. I’ve provided multiple credible sources of evidence showing that it’s real. That’s the way that the real world works. Which is why you refuse to provide evidence, because you don’t have any that disproves what I’ve provided, so you don’t even try. Because you know that it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you’re a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

SurfaceBook

i dont have to disprove PG bigfoot film , the concensus of bigfoot researchers also condemn the movie as FAKERY. so i believe these researchers… it is FAKE bigfoot video

RichardD

Where is this consensus of researchers evidence? I’ve seen none of it. Are these people buffoons and idiots like you, do they even exist? Post some of this consensus of experts that you claim that you have.

SurfaceBook

where ? i thought this is the year of google and a simple google search will give you the facts.. maybe you should learn to research before spouting nonsense ?

RichardD

I’ve looked for facts supporting your contention that there is a consensus of researchers that the film is fake and have found nothing to support it. To the contrary, I’ve found a lot of evidence that many researchers and experts have concluded that the film is genuine and have provided a lot of that evidence on this thread. You’re the one who has failed miserably to support your clearly fallacious argument that there is a consensus of researchers who’ve agreed that the film is fake. Because you can’t, because you know that it’s a lie, as I’ve proven over and over again here. I’ve impeached your credibility. If you want to correct your credibility deficit. Then you need to start supporting your arguments with credible evidence. Which you’re not going to be able to do, because it doesn’t exist. Which is why you don’t even try. And instead resort to serial lies, false accusations and unsupported denials in an attempt to divert attention from your failures.

RichardD

I’ve looked for facts supporting your contention that there is a consensus of researchers that the film is fake and have found nothing to support it. To the contrary, I’ve found a lot of evidence that many researchers and experts have concluded that the film is genuine and have provided a lot of that evidence on this thread. You’re the one who has failed miserably to support your clearly fallacious argument that there is a consensus of researchers who’ve agreed that the film is fake. Because you can’t, because you know that it’s a lie, as I’ve proven over and over again here. I’ve impeached your credibility. If you want to correct your credibility deficit. Then you need to start supporting your arguments with credible evidence. Which you’re not going to be able to do, because it doesn’t exist. Which is why you don’t even try. And instead resort to serial lies, false accusations and unsupported denials in an attempt to divert attention from your failures.

RichardD

What consensus of Big Foot researchers? You’ve provided zero evidence of any alleged consensus of researchers. Given your utter failure to provide any evidence of your own to support your arguments, and your habitual bald face lies. Your credibility deficit is exponential larger than anything that I could even remotely be accused of.

The Wikipedia PG article makes it abundantly clear that there has never been any consensus of researchers that the film is fake, and absent the availability on new evidence that’s not going to change. To the contrary, the Wikipedia PG article makes a strong case that many researchers and experts have concluded that the film is genuine:

– Patterson–Gimlin film –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson%E2%80%93Gimlin_film#Jeffrey_Meldrum

RichardD

Your saying that it’s fake when qualified experts say that it’s not. Doesn’t prove that it’s fake. It only proves that you ignore and reject judicial quality evidence and then lie and say that it doesn’t exist when it clearly does.

RichardD

What consensus of Big Foot researchers? You’ve provided zero evidence of any alleged consensus of researchers. Given your utter failure to provide any evidence of your own to support your arguments, and your habitual bald face lies. Your credibility deficit is exponential larger than anything that I could even remotely be accused of.

The Wikipedia PG article makes it abundantly clear that there has never been any consensus of researchers that the film is fake, and absent the availability on new evidence that’s not going to change. To the contrary, the Wikipedia PG article makes a strong case that many researchers and experts have concluded that the film is genuine:

– Patterson–Gimlin film –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson%E2%80%93Gimlin_film#Jeffrey_Meldrum

RichardD

You’re saying that I’ve provided no evidence with the thread is full of judicial quality evidence verified by qualified experts is a complete lie.

SurfaceBook

yes , you provide exactly ZERO evidence .. baseless claims and fake video/audio is your speciality

RichardD

That’s a complete lie. The thread is full of judicial quality evidence that I’ve provided including audio visual and expert testimony. You’re the one who has provided no evidence of any type, not me.

RichardD

That’s a complete lie. The thread is full of judicial quality evidence that I’ve provided including audio visual and expert testimony. You’re the one who has provided no evidence of any type, not me. And then habitually ignored the judicial quality evidence from qualified experts and lied and said that it doesn’t exist when it indisputably does.

RichardD

I’ve provided qualified expert authentication. You’ve provided no evidence from anyone of anything. You’re a scammer.

SurfaceBook

‘expert’ authentication ? do you even know what ‘authentication’ means ? you are no expert , you just a delusional kid that think he is super commando

RichardD

Yes, I know what expert authentication means, and unlike you I’ve provided a link to judicial cases involving it and could provide many more. You haven’t even tried to disprove the evidence that I’ve provided with counter evidence. That’s the way that the judicial system works. One side provides evidence and the other has the opportunity to rebut it with arguments supported by counter evidence. You’ve provided no counter evidence. Your rejection of it doesn’t expel it from the court record. Only the judge can do that. Absent that it remains part of the court record for consideration by the judge and jury to render a decision on it. You’re not the one making the decision, you’re the one presenting your side of the case. So far you’ve failed completely to present any evidence based case. Just lies and broken record rejections over and over again.

RichardD

Yes, I know what expert authentication means, and unlike you I’ve provided a link to judicial cases involving it and could provide many more. You haven’t even tried to disprove the evidence that I’ve provided with counter evidence. That’s the way that the judicial system works. One side provides evidence and the other has the opportunity to rebut it with arguments supported by counter evidence. You’ve provided no counter evidence. Your rejection of it doesn’t expel it from the court record. Only the judge can do that. Absent that it remains part of the court record for consideration by the judge and jury to render a decision on it. You’re not the one making the decision, you’re the one presenting your side of the case. So far you’ve failed completely to present any evidence based case. Just lies and broken record rejections over and over again.

SurfaceBook

no you dont know , otherwise you instantly would understand no expert in this world can authenticate that fake bigfoot audio as true.

RichardD

The video has been authenticated and proves that these creatures exit.

SurfaceBook

No it is not authenticated by anyone .. it is a FAKE video and only fools like you got taken in by the hucksters and liars in bigfoot research

SurfaceBook

liar , no one authenticated patterson gimlin film.. it is a fake movie

SurfaceBook

posting SPAM dont make your lies go away.. it is common tactics by liars like you to spam when faced with truth

RichardD

You’ve repeatedly failed to disprove all of the qualified and competent experts that I’ve quoted, including film industry executives, special effects technicians and a peer reviewed University of Idaho study, who have conclusively determined that the PG film is genuine using the scientific method, judicial process and judicial quality evidence. Because you have no proof that the film is fake, because you’re a incompetent lying idiot and scammer.

Just like all of the debunkers with their man in a monkey suit claims who have never come even close to replicating the PG film to prove that it’s fake as you and they erroneously claim, in a manner that would stand up to the extensive professional, scientific and judicial scrutiny that the original PG film has for over 50 years that has verified that it’s genuine and not a fake. Because the creature is a different species with different anatomical proportions that can’t be duplicated by a human in a suit using period technology. As the studies that I’ve quoted analysis in depth.

The best of the best said that they couldn’t do it using period technology:

“Academy Award–winning monster-maker John Chambers is most famous for his innovative flexible masks in Planet of the Apes (1968). In a 1997 interview … denied rumors that he had created a costume for the Patterson subject, saying “I’m good, but not that good.”

– Patterson–Gimlin film –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson%E2%80%93Gimlin_film#Philip_Morris

You’re wasting my time with your lies, false allegations, ignorance and lack of evidence or studies of your own showing where the experts that I’ve quoted are mistaken.

Game, set, match, checkmate, you lose.

SurfaceBook

keep posting fake audio / video of bigfoot and spam it.. it is the way for liars and fools who think spamming make your lies more bearable..

RichardD

If they were lies you’d be able to disprove the experts that I’ve cited, but you can’t, because you’re the liar and I’m the truther that you’re making false allegations against. Because you’re a dirt bag.

RichardD

“there’s no evidence of both sides , except witness statements with zero proof.”

This thread is full of quality evidence that’s never been disproven by credible scientific analysis that would catch it if it were fake. People can look at it, and at your ignoring it and saying that it doesn’t exist, when obviously it does. And conclude that you’re out of touch with reality.

SurfaceBook

the so called ‘evidence’ have to be a corroboration of physical / residual evidence , and not just witness statements.. you are touting as evidence this PG bigfoot movie thats been panned as fake by the concensus of bigfoot researchers , because there’s no physical trace / residual trace of the encounter.

what you posted in this thread might seem evidence for you , but it wont hold water in peer review among bigfoot researchers..

RichardD

In addition to the film, there are casts of the foot prints. Film is prima facia evidence that is superior in a court of law to expert testimony if the film hasn’t been proven fake, which the PG film hasn’t been.

SurfaceBook

imagery / video analysis dont make it evidence. footprint cast can be faked just like the video

you want to believe so much you lost objectivity and credibility

RichardD