Russia and Ukraine have completed another round of talks in Istanbul. Both sides made statements following the results of the first round of negotiations.
After the completion of the next round of negotiations, the Russian delegation finally received “a clearly formulated position and proposals (from Ukraine) that will be studied and brought to the leadership of the country,” the head of the Russian delegation Medinsky said.
Ukraine agrees to consolidate its neutral status and to refuse to deploy foreign military bases, provided that it receives security guarantees similar to the Article 5 of the NATO treaty.
A member of the Kiev delegation , Alexander Chaly, commented on the legal aspects of the security guarantee system proposed by Ukraine as follows:
These are clear legally binding guarantees of Ukraine’s security, which in their content and form should be similar to Article 5 of NATO. That is, if Ukraine is the object of any aggression, military attack or military operation, we have the right to demand immediate consultations within 3 days.
If these consultations do not lead to any diplomatic solution to the problem, then the guarantor countries should provide us with military assistance and weapons. And even, it is not excluded, to close the airspace over Ukraine.
If we manage to consolidate these key provisions, Ukraine will be in a position to actually fix its current status as a non-aligned and nuclear-free state in the form of permanent neutrality, which has historically already been fixed in our Declaration of Sovereignty of 1990.
Under such guarantees, we will not deploy foreign military bases, military contingents on our territory, and we will not join military-political alliances. Military exercises on our territory will take place with the consent of the guarantor countries.
Crucially, nothing in the future treaty will deny Ukraine’s right to join the EU. The guarantor countries enter into commitment to facilitate these processes.
Another member of the Ukrainian delegation, David Arahamia, said that Ukraine sees the countries members of the UN Security Council as guarantors of its security, some of them have already given their preliminary consent.
“Who do we see as guarantors – firstly, the countries of the UN Security Council: Great Britain, China, Russia are also included there, but we will separately discussed, Germany, Canada, Poland, Israel, Turkey,” – Arahamiya said at a briefing following the talks between Russia and Ukraine.
According to him, some of the countries have already given preliminary consent to become guarantors of security for Ukraine. In addition, it is assumed that other countries, if they want, will later be able to join this international treaty.
Briefly. Security guarantees treaty with an enhanced analogue of Article 5 of NATO. Guarantor states (USA, UK, Turkey, France, Germany etc.) legally actively involved in protecting 🇺🇦 from any aggression. Implementation through a referendum & parliaments of the guarantor states.
— Михайло Подоляк (@Podolyak_M) March 29, 2022
Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, a member of the Ukrainian delegation, said that during the negotiations in Istanbul, the Russian side was asked to negotiate the status of Crimea and Sevastopol for 15 years and during this time not to try to resolve the issue by military means.
In his turn, the head of the Russian delegation, Medinsky, also briefly voiced Kiev’s position and commented on some lacunae of the proposed document. Moscow’s official proposals have are yet to be proclaimed.
“We have received written proposals from the Ukrainian delegation, as I understand, agreed with the leadership of Ukraine, which are briefly as follows:
Ukraine is declared a permanently neutral state under international legal guarantees in order to implement a non-aligned, nuclear-free status. The following is a list of guarantor states guaranteeing the security of Ukraine.
These security guarantees do not apply to the territories of Crimea and Sevastopol, i.e. Ukraine refuses to seek to return Crimea and Sevastopol by military means, and declares that this is possible only through negotiations, diplomatically, etc.
… Of course, this does not correspond in any way to our position, but Ukraine has formulated its approach. …
This also does not apply to that part of Ukraine, which it calls separate districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
… What are these separate areas Ukraine formulates separately, and what are the territories of these separate areas Russia formulates in its own way. …
Ukraine refuses to join military alliances, to deploy foreign military bases, contingents, military exercises on the territory of Ukraine, without the consent of the guarantor states, including the Russian Federation.
For its part, the Russian Federation does not object to Ukraine’s desire to join the European Union. (These words are not the position of the Russian Federation, Medinsky only voices the document proposed by Kiev)
Further, the statuses are prescribed in some detail, what the guarantor states should do, since Ukraine becomes a neutral non-aligned state. The procedure for the entry into force of the agreement, the procedure for its temporary application, the procedure for changing legislation and legal documents in accordance with the Constitution of Ukraine are prescribed.
And it is emphasized once again that the disputed issues of Crimea and Sevastopol between Russia and Ukraine are resolved only through bilateral negotiations.
Ukraine also requests the final decision to be formalized at the meeting of the heads of the states.
… On this occasion, I have already said that we are making a step towards Ukraine and we are talking about the possibility of holding a meeting of the state leaders within the framework of a meeting of Foreign Ministers when initialing the treaty. It is necessary to create the document itself for this to understand what we agreed on. After that the Foreign Ministers initialize the agreement, and the state leaders may meet four together. In this way, any remaining issues can be resolved.
These are by no means a provision of the treaty. These are the proposals of the Ukrainian side, which we consider a constructive step towards finding a compromise and which will be considered by Russia and an appropriate response will be given. Thank you.“
According to Medinsky, Russia is making two steps towards Ukraine for de-escalation. Medinsky explained that these steps relate to the political and military parts.
The interview of the head of the Russian delegation is perceived ambiguously. Having voiced Kiev’s demands, Moscow does not declare its clear position in the negotiation process, and Medinsky has not voiced the path which Russia is ready to take to end the military operation. It is surprising why the official representative, having fully voiced all the Ukrainian demands, did not voice the demands and position of the Russian Federation, allegedly making it clear that Moscow ingeneral does not exclude the possibility of their adoption, with the exception of some nuances that still need to be discussed.
The composition of the Russian delegation seems extremely strange.
The head of the delegation, Medinsky, is not a professional diplomat. Before becoming an Assistant to the President of Russia in 2020, he was the Minister of Culture. The professional career of the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Alexander Fomin, has not been connected with the command of army units or with the planning of any military operations since 1993. Since that time, he has always been involved in military-technical cooperation and in the management of defense complex campaigns.
At the same time, following the negotiations round, there was no a single statement from another high-ranking member of the delegation, a representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia.
It seems that this is either the intent or the lack of professionalism of individuals influencing the Russian state policy. It is also possible that such softness is a special tactic of Russian diplomacy.
Since Moscow has not yet officially responded to the Ukrainian proposals, official comments are expected from representatives of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Kremlin.
At the same time, on the battlefield, the Russian “step towards Ukraine” did not take long to wait.
On March 29, the Russian Defense Ministry decided to drastically reduce military activity in the Kiev and Chernihiv directions. This was stated by the ministry following the results of the Russian-Ukrainian negotiations.
“Due to the fact that negotiations on the preparation of a treaty on the neutral and nuclear-free status of Ukraine, as well as on the provision of security guarantees to Ukraine, are moving into a practical concerns, taking into account the principles discussed during today’s meeting, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation made a decision to drastically, at times, reduce military activity in the Kiev and Chernihiv directions in order to increase mutual trust and create the necessary conditions for further negotiations and achieving the ultimate goal – coordination and signing of the above-mentioned agreement.”
“We proceed from the fact that the relevant basic decisions will be made in Kiev and conditions should be created for further normal work,” was added.
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will report in more detail on the decisions taken upon the return of the Russian delegation to Moscow.
Such a decision of the Russian Ministry of Defense is an important signal of Moscow’s readiness to make significant concessions in solving the crisis in Ukraine. Of course, this maneuver can weaken the positions of Russian forces on the front lines in Ukraine.
Apparently, Russia intends to continue the concentration of its forces in the east of Ukraine in order to suppress the enemy’s defense in the territories of the recognized Donetsk and Lugansk republics. However, the reduction of pressure in the Kiev and Chernihiv regions will also allow the transfer of AFU forces to the east.
This decision significantly reduces the position of the Russian Federation in the negotiation process as well.
Russia also made concessions by agreeing to negotiate in Turkey, which, although it has not joined the sanctions against Russia, continues to indirectly participate in military operations in Ukraine, supplying Kiev with weapons.
Moscow’s possible consent to the Kiev’s proposals may mean the Russia’s unconditional military and diplomatic defeat.
The history of mankind has not known a single example when ensuring the security of a state carried out according to the Kiev’s scheme would lead to the creation of its real status quo.
Agreeing to the Kiev’s demands will only be a preparation for Russia’s new war not only against Ukraine, but against the entire West. This diplomatic step would be the beginning of another global conflict. The West is always betting on a coup in Russia.
By renouncing its territorial claims to Crimea and the Donbass region, Kiev is imposing a treaty, according to which NATO countries will definitely enter the war on the side of Ukraine in the next armed conflict. Judging by the case of the Minsk Agreements, Kiev has clearly demonstrated its unwillingness to comply with international agreements. Since the proposed security guarantees do not apply to the territories of Crimea and Donbass, which the parties have yet to determine, Ukraine will be able to continue its attacks on Donbass, and may launch another military operation against the population of Crimea. If Russia agrees to the proposals, in 15 years, which Kiev allocates for negotiations on the status of Crimea, and even much faster, Ukraine will have the opportunity to destabilize the situation in Crimea by supporting the pro-Ukrainian part of the population, including Crimean Tatars, given that Moscow’s “status” will be significantly damaged if it does not reach the declared aims of the military operation in Ukraine. If Russia responds to the possible aggression from Ukraine, NATO countries will be involved to “protect the security of Ukraine”.
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Never-ending Ukrotard Banderpite deceit. The Ukraine was never “prevented” from joining the EU by anyone other than the EU. Trapped in 1922, they kamikazed their entire country in the name of “joining the west” as the US hegemonic dominance of Europe disintegrates and Belt/Road continues to grow into the most signifciant socio-economic phenomenon on earth for the last hundred years. Never stop derping, Ukrotards.
Trapped in 1922?! Explain this, please. I’m curious.
The entire ideology imposed on the Ukrainian people after the CIA coup in 2014 is derived from the early twentieth-century Galician nationalism. What has passed for Ukrainian nationalism over the last eight years is an anachronistic fascist dogma passed down from the UVO and fostered by the Five Eyes for eight decades.
Thats not correct. The coup was 17,8% Russian leftover communists should run the whole dammed thing.
There is no anacronistic fascist dogma in Ukriane. there are 26 political parties as well as Zelinsky is more sober elected then Putin. Thats normal parlamentarisme.
If anything the are now 150% antirussians, which this has confirmed. Nation builders are nationalist. By thats they are not Russians. Your kind are the ones making the contrasts with uncleanded gardens all the way to Vladivostiok.
This is not about the last 8 years at all. Its about why that hard change came. Northing else was possible. Thats why.
Its also a very old thing, where Your explanantions are driven by Sovjet propaganda in its worst.
Denikin tryed too. When was that. Since 1917 the whole area has been treated as non obeyers of Communisme and spendable eneimies in any important thing.
None should by that kind of Russian supremacy even in the made up proletarian rules the country. Thats devastating nonsense as it was done form day war killing all opposition.
Fascist has done that too. Its exact the same kind of few people chosen by themself and replaced by themself in nepotisme. They dont take well care of the people. They control and use them for own purposes.
Its also not only Galizian nationalisme but in a much wider area. I will remind You that jews are/were no Russians as well. You have to add them to non russians. You dont.
For the Southern parts You of course also dont add Tatars and their state and after they were defetated theimport of Roumanians and Germans to there. Those of course dont exist today. They were killed or expelled by Stalin & Co too.
Your history book justy take in random facts You can use and also turn seveal vtals upside down. None can just go back in a which year was it. But Putin and the collapsers deny sober attitudes and relations.
Thats why we even today see 2,15% nazis and You insinuate the rest are fascist.
Someone please call ZOO in Aarhus, their autistic baboon Jens escaped again.
Don’t make fun of him, he has tourette’s syndrome.
Good one chap
Last time I checked it was a corrupt oligarch (kolomoisky) who in cooperation with the US and friends, installed a TV show personality into the Presidency of Ukraine. Whatever parallels you wish to dispell, you can’t avoid the fact that it’s the US that had inserted it’s agenda into the Ukranian government as it encouraged and enabled the Ukrainian extremists to antagonize and oppress a specific target of people. The percentage of nazis you listed has no context unless we know which percentage of those hold key positions. To act like they aren’t relevant is another attempt and an obvious one at that to avoid the cause of the conflict which lies with these fanatic ideologues.
Klaus schwab bragged on the internet in a video that he had control of 50% of the Canadian parliament. I would think he has much more control over Ukraine than that.
Very well said, thank you.
It means your girlfriend is a flapper.
your ma is my girlfriend 😀
I take it in the John Wayne gun slunger way: You show a vakkuum.
1) There was a short dispute ´between independent Poland and declared independent Ukriane. POles wun that, It was june 25 to july 17 in 1919.
2) Much more important was the red army cpould take back anything they wisked by the red army. army being Zars again the Kindom Poland included. Thats the main reason for Ukriane gain went out or low in the history books.
Pilsutsky & Co simply took it from the Communists. What they took was what was Polish before the first polish dividing. The even was afraid Poland should take more of, what those morons thougt was USSR.
They were so worried for that in their paranoia that they created that they could not even could take all Ukraine (snif snif no world revolution).
The proof is still there. They created the Stalin wall and defnece line all the way from Murmansk by Kiev to Odessa.
So what You has been told or maybee not remember well is crap but a CONSTRUCTION.
Those never was west as You insinuate. Most of them were normal poor farmers and farmers hand. They didnt like Poles comming back. Those also had to reform in the Pilsuski way. There came an accepten of that. It was slightly better to them. Pilsutski kept the Pole nationalisme down. Those Ruthens was poles.
That is very visible in the war today. Thats where the RAILROADS went to be not in the Russian wide version, which disconnected Barbarossa and the Invasion of today as well.
“I take it in the John Wayne gun slunger way: You show a vakkuum.” ??????
Jens talks in cyphers. No one, not even him, can decipher it….
Its a long well described story. I took the short version. Even that is long.
The main thing is, the Clyde version is an all over contructed one for communists taking USSR west in the late WW2.
Here we also see the Polish nationalisme showing great parts of Belarus and Ukriane actaullly are more polish then Russish.
Here itd true the regained Poland actually took their parts of the ruthians back all the way to a few kilomaters west of Minsk.
Poles was expelled from there. No poles allowed. Most people in the area actually had died during WW2. Germans and other has to go west.
English! For the love of God, please use English on this forum. I don’t know what that drug-addled pidgin you emit is, but English it is not.
When people write lke that, Im right.
If You didnt write that much crap Yourself about whats actaully went on and for which reasons, I would spell better.
The translater also cant eat my advanced way of writing, so Im stopped many times. I do use bad english spelled english, which the whole western europ eat as well as usa, australia and new Zealand.
So many things seemes to be haram here even its told this is a free site. Are things free because so much cant even be explained and reduced to chikdish simplified lawyers and doctors language.
Its very visible in the articles here too. In my english almost all of them would have half of the lines and words and explain more and better.
To me it also too often explain the simplyfied minds and brains here. People by writing that much often gets exhauset and to warm and disconnected in not only their fingers.
Ypou write as Ypou are in cyperspace or maybe controls the pedalss in the marslanders.
Aha Russian army is worsening by the day. It is actually wose than ww2. Russia will fall below 10 most powerful army if lucky. Slava Ukraine
Remember November, 2013, when Donbass and Crimea were still part of the Ukraine, and the Russian armed forces weren’t sitting all over the territory of the former Ukraine? I mean, Ukrotards are some stupid motherfuckers, so maybe you don’t.
I live in the us, and I guess I am patriotic. So this has some validity when I say it, what dumbass phucking country would ever trust us to be their friend and allie???? Remember when Britain promised Poland security just before world war 2??? And told them to give Germany the finger…
Thats optimstime. Its very much a political question too. By that Russia do has extra troops as well as the boycuts might be an important infkuencer.
Im sure Russia wont fall. They do have many troops. They do have a nany. They do have nukes. To me its more they now for the world now has downseized themself and done it well.
If You grap a finger, You not always has to take the arm or expect You can.
Ukraine fx has not attacked Russia. It cant. All Russians will believe its Barbarossa 2 but in a minature card version.
The best option for Ukraine will be some of them will die laughing. .
What a shithead your are. What is left of Ukraine? Looks a junkyard to me. When Ukraine left the USSR in 1991 they had it all. Heavy Industry, Air Craft Design, ship building, Agriculture. What have you done in 30 years to become the poorest most corrupt country in Europe? Is that something to be proud of? Most Refugees say they will never go back to Ukraine. You are going to be a desolate depopulate wasteland, that is the future.
The elites of the Ukraine should move to Haiti. That should improve their lifestyle.
You sir are always good for a laugh. I can see you being the next president of Ukraine. You could replace the clown they have now.
I think people are reading into the results of these negotiations a little too much. So far all that’s been concluded is that Russia will diminish it’s military activities surrounding Kiev and Chernihiv. However, if they weren’t already planning to storm these cities, does it really matter? This will give them the opportunity to redeploy some men toward the south and southeast, where the majority of the ukrop army is. Doesn’t seem as dramatic as the article writers make it out to be as far as I can tell?
There’s nothing concrete in the article. My comment pertains solely to the absurd and typically deceptive Uktotard statement about the EU. Beyond, that, another day goes by with tens of thousands of Russian troops implementing Russian policy on the territory of the former Ukraine.
I also wanna point out out that pro Russian administrations keep being installed in liberated areas, as well as the switch to Rubles. So in that regard, areas are unambiguously being dissociated from the Kiev regime. Honestly I think people are in panic over nothing, they just don’t get how to read into these developments. Of course I could be wrong but I don’t see any evidence that Russia is scaling down their operation.
Cant You conclude and go on from there. We have no intensions in joining Ukraine in Nato as well as EU.
We also try hard to keep Minsk too and its the Russians whish almost force us to hepl Ukras, som You can confirm we are enemies for this.
Your version for what the Russians do is highly incompetent. So many Russian Rusiqans already has left. Many of the rest are even far away in other countries.
What we see are the leftover population not killed by that Russian invaders. They somehow are greatfull for that even they cant bury their relative under Russian gunfire.
They never intended taking those places,the action was to neutralise the Ukrainian forces there so they couldn’t support their forces in Donbass which are being encircled as we speak,its a well know military tactic,in other words Steiner isn’t coming.
They probably will take them when resources are freed up in the Donbas region. Will take some time though.
What about the big build up in Kursk/Belgorod? Does anyone have any information on that? Please tell me that at last Russia is going to send its best in.
Thst right. Those nesociaters are low ranks.
I allow me to add, that the Ukras also can redoply and also need more then icecreme in their frontzones.
Very much is bound be civilians and their evacuations too. Thier logistics and other things can be regained at least some with that.
While I think that is somewhat true at the tactical level the idea of “ending Russia” in the west grows. The game has changed in that the fight is now seen as one to defeat Russia in the west. It may have been Russian goals to take the territories back and whack some nazis. However it has now become the first battlefield for the destruction of Russia. If Russia does not come out a clear winner now the west will pour in money weapons and support . They will continue the economic assaults and everything they can throw at the Russians they will. Would this have continued anyway? Of course it would but it will be at another level if it can be sold as a Ukrainian victory.
I agree although in the effort to kill Russia, the west have stuck a mortal blow at the credibility of US and UK financial institutions. What good are dollars and euros if a govt at any time can simply take them from you. In trying to kill Russia, they murdered themselves. Such insanity.
They don’t want to occupy Ukraine, at least not the entire country. Who wants to pay to rebuild it? Those fucktards in Kiev would like nothing better than to be a government in exile with their stolen billions and let someone else manage Ukraine. It is complete anarchy you know. Zelenskyy has succeeded in destroying his state such that it cannot be governed. Russia needs to liberate Donbas, consolidate it’s southern gains and get the fuck out.
Yeah get those Ukrainian reinforcements out in the open and Russia will be shooting fish in a barrel.
Your west is PROPAGANDA. For them it was part of the rest of the world or not even they were inland and still in a very poor way. So many from there immigrate. They in many ways are semilar to the mountain areas, where You here and there still se more horses then tactors.
in Denmark we know them well too. They were named as sugar beet Polacs cheep labor and lokked down as just as we also had potato Germans.
They all are assimilated danes now.
But those Poles was not Kingdom Poles. They were Galizian pole version and red and white Ruthenians.
In Your propaganda versioin You expect those people would have been Communists and even westerns. Thats what saw in the whole Ukraine and also Belarus. They woukld be THEIR OWN not owned by force as spendable for some USSR or for that matter som Zar.
Im sure they had uprosed harder against the Poles, if there again was a King. Pilsutsky took away all feudalisme and its properties. By that it went to an slightly hostile accept.
You also has no jews in it. There were many there and outside Poland. Kharkov, Donetsk and others had 30% Jews those were towners and mainly very poor by lowered or none rights.
Progroms was not a Russian invension. Thats why they made United States and Israel. Theyfleed AND was killed.
I am the Walrus?
I just tell how things are. I am very good at it. I know how things really were during time. You have had to relearn since 1993.
And dont no danes knows Russia. The last Tzarin was Danish. Vitus Bering told a bridge to Alaska was needed.
You might be some eggman too not being only one.
You are very good at sucking Bidens butt and spamming monkey crap from your mouth. And nothing else.
worthless moronic gibberish by a worthless moronic troll ^
banderistan has been mounted by that nasty nato clown
It is too early to comment about it,the muricans saying that russia is not serious about the negotiations
The muricans are an ocupying bakon.
I agree. Those negosiaters are not high ranks and cant decide.
If Putin betrays people of DPR and LPR for neutrality and Crimea then f*ck him.
It would basically mean thousands died for nothing and then in a decade or few decades millions will have to die because of the unfinished business from 2022. I don’t think they will accept and I think this is only theatrical bs and I hope I am not wrong. Russia must now go in all the way!
So far I see no proof that this is happening at all. Russia hasn’t made any concessions other than focusing their military activity on the south and east, which isn’t a bad thing considering this is where the overwhelming majority of the Ukrop army is stationed?
Your real name must be number 000 with a mins in front of it.
your real name must be Retard.
Yes, thats my middle name. Jens Retard Holmosexual.
Yuri or his service dog wrote that. Some donators will paint him. By that they might upgrade him to white trash.
You are an emotional idiot Russia didn’t give an answer and won’t until next month and doesn’t plan anything n stopping the special operation until it’s fully completed. That’s what they said today even after negotiations
You are just idiot but not very emotional.
Crawl back to an English learning school in Lvov and learn articles, dumbass.
Iam not there Iam Jens Holm Denmark. From Denmark.
Ill change nothing in my english. This is about oppinions and no spellin test. S´Sure we mqaonkies still are monkies no matter which close we have.
If. But obviously there is no need for this. This isn’t serious. Russia coalition still has little to lose from keeping advancing.
Southfront is trying to keep it balanced for both sides, everyone who followed Syrian conflict had seen that Russia periodically deescalates and escalates again when it needs to, so this means nothing.
Putin does not have the stomach for war which means he gets warred against and MORE die.
Lets say that South Front confirm the sources.
What could possibly be inappropriate that is causing you to censor my statement here?..
Its different for You. You write a lot of crap🛀🏼
Says an idiot who writes nothing but crap his entire life.
Yuri try to hide by 7 dummy hats too.
The only thing that is ever censored here is the word “f u c k” and perhaps 2-3 other words. It’s done by default/algorithm.
Not true. I spoke to the fact that the detail the Russian Federation sent to these negotiations was because Russia wanted to avoid what happened to their “Ambassadors” that didn’t make it out alive in Turkey or in the U.S. with both of their names mentioned. That was all it took for them to “scrub it”
I should make a list for it and copy paste. When things are not accepted or even removed after accepted i dont belive my two finger tapping system.
I verry like tapping with my two fingers. Especially tapping my uncle Magnus tranny clit.
Gagarin was here
I sometimes put all my 10 fingers in my butt to find inspiration for my writing. Verry smarts.
That is not realisme Jens Holm Denmark. Jens Holm Denmark has 12 fingers🛀🏼
gagarin was here too. His trailerpark has made quarantine for him and we are paid by them to have them.
We bought opium for him and ourself to help them.
Gagarin was here
Listening to enemies is to listen to defeat and risking the lives of brave Russian soldiers. The Russian defence ministry needs some overhaul.
Ukraine has made a proposal that’s it. We haven’t even seen a Russian response yet let alone agreement.
The withdrawing of some troops from Kiev is already a sign of weakness, With all that man Russia have or claims to have why would they need to relocate the troops from Kiev to the east ? it seems the Chechens, DPR and LPR forces are doing all the work, I barely saw any Russian troops in this conflict except for some conscripts which were captured shortly after.
It’s not a sign of weakness, it’s perfectly logical military maneuver. I makes no sense to keep them there while being more needed elsewhere.
Nazis have to go to hell.
We ear the enemy always at war.
Your enemies actually are friends too but not with someone like You.
Your friends are Eritrea, Cuba, Belarus, Assads and North Korea.
Outin is the most brightcleverloved and Your master. The defence minister is the chosen one by him.
maybee they should repalce him with a Ghandi or Dalai Lhama.
Go suck Joe Biden’s butthole you dumb cunt, he is your master, your owner, your God.
cry cry cry ukrops—-you lost Crimea, DPR/LPR permanently—-Russia will never agree to your fascist begging…your fake pseudo NATO proposals show that you are as stupid as amerikans
Cry cry cry Russia you will never have Kiev. It’s finish. I think ukraine can say goodbye at Crimea and Donbass.
They invested heavily in that land connection to Crimea. Doubt they’ll let it go.
Ukraine also lost the entire Kherson Oblast cause Russia is going to open a permanent military base there.
A defeatist article. Nothing has been agreed too. “However, the reduction of pressure in the Kiev and Chernihiv regions will also allow the transfer of AFU forces to the east.” Unlikely.
Meanwhile, Russia has pulled more equipment to the borders of Ukraine in the Kursk area then it has committed to the invasion to date. Why would they be doing that if they are getting ready to capitulate?
War is deception. Armored Russian Columns headed to Nikolaev. No operations have been suspended.
I tell you what is a mistake though. The DNR/LPR stubborn refusal to accept help from others. They obviously cannot break through the Donbass defenses on their own. While Donetsk can’t. Lugansk is all but liberated except for a small pocket.
I’ve been keep repeating for days that Northern part of operation should be largely reduced at least for now (except salient West of Kiev). Supply lines are way too long, too exposed, and such a large territory demands significant forces to garrison (not to mention population is more hostile than in the south). I’m talking especially about those two lines east of Kiev, they look very exposed. They cannot push further west without significant reinforcements (which are more needed elsewhere at the moment).
Keep in mind that Russian forces, will stay there. They will not conduct new military operations near Kiev, but they will defend positions.
In meanwhile, a hell will be unleashed in southeast of Ukraine. Thing is – Russia can manovour it’s forces just as they please, while Ukraine cannot. Russia will now use this advantage. All the Ukrainian forces that are now pinned down in Kiev and Chernihiv will need to stay there, because they cannot move anywhere without risk aerial bombardment. This move is purely strategic play.
Getting ready for NATO’s move?
If they lure them out of the cities and then destroy , that would be a win i guess.
Some too many here only see and believe in Russian propaganda.
They has no idea about whats really going on. In west we are told that main parts of the Russians at Kiev are reduced into partly disorganized fractions.
I kind of believe that as the real world. The choise weemes to be no rela information fo the Russians lovers.
In the other hand we have too much information, where parts are propaganda also to the Russians, which are not censured. .
Freedom of speech is not meant as this and its babling nonsense.
Is meant to make better decidings by many small brains are much better in networks then one big one. Its because we then handle things together and on many levels at the same time.
Even one brain or several are out of order, the rest will continue and mainly not much will collapse until the replacements are there as good as new, better or almost as good as new. Continuitives.
I have no direct cnnection with God. From my own point of view the roads in and out are full.
I think most people is mistaking what Russia says:
Those points are what Ukraine is ready to give now, Russia says that it is a positive advance.
It does not say that they agree with the points.
Nobody with brain should believe that Russia will agree with that bullshit.
Dombas will be an independent part of Russia, protected by their nuclear umbrella.
Well thats Your wishes. This is not Unicef or father Claus as well.
I dont think You should use brain about Putin & Co.
Up to my finger and toe calculater some 50.000 might be dead. For billions are destructed for long time or permanent.
You show Your paranoia well. Nato is attacking none there. None want to join even centimeters where the infected Russians live.
We as EU want and wish for normal trade with the many USSR collpased areas being normal parts of the world. The zoo keeper the second time within 100 years should learn, that people has not to be treated as nasty animals.
They forgot keep. You forget KEEP.
A country is where the state and the rest of each other JOIN.
Below is not me Jens Holm Denmark.
Im assisted and need no hands. Im olt always nice. Then they try to strangulate me with their tits.
Ukraine will simply switch to mandatory draft like South Korea and Israel and that’ll be the end of it. It’ll be a buffer state between Europe and Asia. Now tell Mikhael Mizintsev the white haired general faggot to stop sucking on his favorite dildo and get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Umm, that’s what it was until 2014 when the CIA pogotards jumped for a US coup in order to join NATO and unleash Banderpite psychosis on the entire population. So the last eight years of violence were just the Ukrainian method of time-travelling back to the summer of 2013? That is some crazy, crazy, Ukrotard derp.
The Putin faggots have a time machine now.
Thats what Your prediction based on Your low knowledge level is.
Number one is those people decide their own destiny themselves. If the want to live in a quagmire, its their quamire. The Russians live in a quagmire too.
And it is allowed to change from something for good reason collapsed. Why should that be kept?
I do see Finland as well as Sweden and for that matter Denmark doing pretty well. We are not as You assume. But You might be told we are poor sitting hardly with no clothe in the streets having only and umbrella for protection.
You by Your devastating rhetoric deny Russians needed improvements. The onky good thing is the sate save 10 years of the very symbolic pension for coffins only.
A really big mistake by Russia, so much for 1 million troops that they claim to have, they were either bluffing the whole time or they have something up their sleeve, i hope this it’s latter.
Omg , look at the size of the RF. Even when Germans attacked they didn’t pool troops from the east.
Russia is not going to capitulate to ukraine at all and all DPR and LPR special operations will continue until the regions are fully denazified. Dmitry Peskov Putins spokesperson has directly said this about an hour ago.
Most of the good russian stuff seemes of low quality and not mass produced. The military leaders seemes to be in the old days only making the standards of their troop in semilar mode.
They almost are like Armenia.
I feel happy. Those troops never will reach Denmark.
This seems like a great deal for Russia, a new alliance at it’s doorstep with the latitude to bring members with frozen conflicts into it. Kind of a NATO junior.
Surely, Azerbaijan and Georgia will join as well to strengthen their hands at recovering their territory.
Surely nothing of the sort will occur. Never stop Banderping.
No Ukraine will capitulate while Russias demands are still the same. They clearly stated today that they are not going to stop the special operation until it’s completed.
I see none of that crap. None want Russia as friend or enemy.
Caucasus was taken by force. Checken emmigratetes made Al kaida. UDSA united the spreadover well.
Russia has so many nemesisses.
Nazis, you are done, there’s no alarm at all. To all the rest, more or less rational animals: by rubles, or yuans, or rupies.
Military academy is not political academy, sorry. But for what I see from ukrop propositions aka another Minsk 3.0 scam, is a classic uncle Shmuel trap. If russians will byte this hook that means Russia is defeated on a long term because uncle Shmuel only wants to gain time for a change in Kremlin; they waiting for another Eltin (with or without a coup) to barter Russia for eternity to the Anglo-zionist hegemony. Having Russia means control China and thus the whole world. Or that means only a postponed future war with the Ukrop nazi liars. Without taking in consideration the psychological defeat from the part of all russian ethnics living in Ukraine and even worse, of own russian people. Do they believe pig saying he’s not going to eat shit anymore ? Oh, no, he will eat shit whenever encounter one. The single SOLUTION good for Russia on medium and long term is to defeat ukrop army with all costs and to split Ukraine into 2 parts: East and West with the Dnipr belonging to the East one ruled by a prorussian or at least neutral government. Even the polish peace keeping mission into the West part is more good than this Shmuel deceptive proposals. Because the underground/partizan movement will be in ALL situations a reality which Moscow must fight. Did Moscow believe letting Kiev for Kolomoisky and keep Donbass will resolve that problem ? Did ukrotards respect Minsk agreement ? No, joke, don’t play roulette with Russia future.
You have to have the men to do that. There are not enough.
I also think these statements are a mild concerning.
But i think the bigger problem is that the Russian advance is so slow, that with every day, the world’s sympathy towards the Ukraine will grow.
In the first days of the invasion, the Russian columns advanced 30-40 miles a day easily. Now it is a big lumbering mess in a snail’s pace.
Something bad is coming.
World doesn’t give a fuck for anything for more than a few days when it’s new and trendy. Now Will Smith is more important and interesting than Ukraine…. the only way to make Ukraine interesting again is to make something happen, like staged chemical attack…
The rest of the world exist too. Thats a fact.
What we do about it and Russia continue. We also had Zelinsky on direct TV as well as many has candle in the windows for show support.
We also work har to resettle incommers. Most of their children already are in the shools as well as it goes.
And we get in nice stories. Some older man has space for 5 women and some children. His house is cleaner then ever and he is not alllowed to make his own meals anymore.
Will Schmidt should have a medal. His wife has a skin disease loosing hair in random spots. Naming her similar to GI Jane is as bad as it can be.
One might understand if it was treated diffirent in some standup comedian program. But here its evil non thinking of the worst kind.
Adding she has had several housbonds or lovers is probatly true but very an impropriate failute in a program for best performance.
I would agree with what you are saying accept where the sympathy towards Ukraine is concerned. That they are losing as more and more people get to see what this regime has been doing for the past 8 years. As an example, a recent poll in France suggested that 52% of people take Russia’s side.
Thats no regime. Its not even a state recognized for 30 years. Their Parlament has 26 political parties and a President. They are more sober eected then Putin of today.
The Nazis had abot 2% of the votes and by that are not even in the Parlament.
None should rely on such an exil poll. France also is very biased. They took in Makron because none of the rest could make majorities or make any decissions.
Its partly as in France after WW2. The choise was still national fascist even nazi ones OR socialists added communists.
De Gaulle by that was the NONE CHOISE as well. He made France great again by his Vivas made some social reforms but also was a kind ogf right wing.
By Thats Zelinsky is the third choise.
Its true many in peace might not like Zelinsky. He try to make needed changes. Hardly none wish to loose their power and cotrol. In the other way they all know its very needed.
Don’t be so pessimistic, Russia faking defeat is a strategy, the goal is to get more weapons from the West to Ukraine, where most can be easily destroyed, and this will dramatically ease the future military operations in Poland, Baltic states and Germany !
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Withdraw the troops and do as America would do, carpet bomb them. On all Russian forums Putin at this moment is being seen as weak. If he goes along with this disastrous plan he will be ousted quickly.
USA never has had that many carpets.
PUTIN IS SUCH A STUPID CUCK FOR TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH NAZIS. EITHER DESTROY UKRAINE OR GO HOME.
I have to agree with that. It was really satisfying watching Russian advance in the first week, then everything stalled. And now what? Agreeing to negotiations? With Nazi scum what torture, murder civilians and POWs? WTF? I thought Putin cared about his own people. Nazi Ukraine should be destroyed and any opposition eliminated. Anything less is a show of weakness which WILL be exploited by the West.
Yerrrrh – And maybee 50.000 dead ones and for billions of destruction is better. I dont see that.
In the start Putin had gold under his pillow. No w he hardly has zink and soon no pillow.
The stupid one is You. There are no such nazis to negsiate with. They are not even big enough to be in the parlament.
Ukraine as well as Russia need rebuild. They already are ruins of the themself.
Without the brains to strategize, without the military superiority to crush its opponents, Russia has stepped into the quagmire. Welcome to the second Afghanistan (Ukraine).
UP the ante Russia, STEP up the aggression! And send Turkey packing from Syria too. Give the Syrians the weapons from Ukraine. Sell them to Iran and may they find their way to Yemen and African nations too. Putin is too faint hearted to make WAR.
He’s not as tough as he likes to look, but to be fair most of the memes about him were from Putin apologists who couldn’t hear the thought their leader bottled it when it came to decisive decisions.
Thats not correct. The Putin supporters are fewer and fewer. Its nepotisme with no replacers.
“Russia also made concessions by agreeing to negotiate in Turkey, which, although it has not joined the sanctions against Russia, continues to indirectly participate in military operations in Ukraine, supplying Kiev with weapons.”
Source: trust me bro
Yeah, Ukrainian An-124 heavy transport aircrafts just go to Turkey for tomatoes.
I know this, is not the first time but can we see what airplane have inside ??? No. Russian propaganda says it’s Bayraktar TB2 but can’t proof it
It might be a Turkish tradition. Turks sended Nikel to germany by Odessa until russia took it back.
Germans mainly paid it with first class faked pounds.
Its more as Erdogan has the same problems getting friends as Russia. By that they trade with both. That not taking side. Its onkly Your own side.
ukropistan—the former ukraine only exists in the minds of a few schizophrenics even the nazis recognize the east and south of former ukropyland is Russian zemlya sig da….
As long as Donbass will come under full Russian control, it does not matter what will happen to Ukraine.
The economy is garbage and the military is garbage. What makes Russia superior? Are they superior only in violence?
You are superior only in stupidity.
Many are like him and me. We have both sides. We also know parts of the difference very well.
When we tell we can be copied and dont has to devollop much because its alreay done, You are in total denial for any changes and even try to make the deep dark state darker.
Pls make links ofr something better. Thats Your probolem. Superior is based on rewards and by that productivity.
You has no educated people to produce advanced things as well as for distribtion. That the base for Our wellfare and living condition.
Sure we have very bad sides too. We actually work to reduce them. But we dont reward people with free food, free clothe, free roofs and so on if they only are meant and decided by themself to do absolutly nothing.
We could give those people 5 meals a day. Bu why should we. Its Our money based on, what we do.
that’s the big problem. Stupidity is being weaponized. These people are molded into tools of psychopaths.
The Ukraine was known across the globe as the most corrupt and impoverished country in Europe. A completely failed state. Would you say that the last five weeks have improved the Ukrainian economy and military posture?
That highly incorrect as well. No maps or any source says so.
Ukraine is same level as Russia, Belarus, Kasakstan, Iran, Syria. Libya and Egypt.
You all are better then Caucasus countries, Iraq, Usbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kirgisistan, Somalia and Sudan.
You are clearly talking about the west
Actually he is talking about Russia has to remain that poor people dyong 10 years before Ours as well.
amerikant uncivilized hillbillies—#1 violent crime, non violent crime, rape per capita all nations 30+% diagnosed mental illness yet in not 1 civilized nation more than 6% LOL
They have defined a world, where everything is owned by themself. By that they connect very bad to the rest of the world. They dont understand vitals here at all.
Here we see Putin believes in own propganda better then anyone, where i Live. If we were or are as Putin think he knows, we were collpased many times many years ago.
I hope Russia🇷🇺 and Ukraine 🇺🇦 will find peace quickly
Only when Putin and Duma members are dead or jailed
They will all live many years and decades longer than you tho.
bad LSD in arkansas will not change your humiliation
I agree. No real changes are possible where many leaders cant be replaced.
I think that goes for Erdogan and Assad as well. I likes Merkel very well for many years. She retreated when I thought she should.
Me too. I once proposed all in Afganistan Nato included should use all opium from there for themself.
Yawn… The military industrial complexes of the west are making more money by extending countless wars and creating new ones. Russia could have ended the Syrian conflict years ago but didn’t on purpose so it could try out its weapons and improve them. Now the Russian army will have doubled its number of battle hardened troops while the western troops sink into ineffective sloth. The demand for payment in Rubles by Putin is a real threat to The US hegemony and to the very survival of the EU. If the EU refuses to pay in Rubles and Russia responds by cutting off all gas, there will be chaos all over the world. If the Saudi’s accept payment in Chinese yuan, the petrodollar is DEAD and so is US hegemony and the US economy. This means nuclear war between the east and west. The west will not allow itself to become a bunch of poor 3rd world nations without instigating war. Only this time there will be no winners. Civilization will collapse and not recover until the radiation from the nuclear bombs dissipates.
mainly correct—except western elites not as stupid as their peasants—they can only instigate low intensity conflicts that they lose
Thats verry narrowminded and not correct. We have raised everything here and are better then ever in wellfare. We are even blamed by USA using only 2% for military issues.
I see the Nato are in the same or in a small minus. But You forget Russia today is their own only and has no soldiers and capasity from Baltics, Poles, Tjekkoslovakia, Hungary, Roumania, Bulgaria and most parts of Caukasus.
By that You should not only subtract but also add those to Nato.
You are a joke in economy. Russia is of no importance. But we do need fuel as well as some of the food. But EU can grow more food, so the problems wont be for the ones having not that possibility as well as money for it.
EU as well as Nato are not in surveivel crises. They has to be updated and reformed. It has been a hard one to join so many from East. Maybee we should have joines fewer and after that some more.
It makes me laugh Saudis should pay or be paid in Yuan. To me they are money. We actually has Our ECU by EU. Danish kroner as pay is fine all over the world.
So its about being trusted or not. Not even the chines will let the US dollar collapse. We as them might help USA to decline to a lower more accurate level. Thats how adjustments fpor the world is.
Your version for what means nuclear war is far out. It cold be an improvement we gave everything back to the ants and worms.
You dont get China. As a contrast to Your thinking they also makre the cake to share bigger. Thats named as economical growth. I like that compared to what Chaiman Mao did.
You also ignore that China will have growth problems and has to make difficult and expensive reforms.