Most Chinese weapons are, even the J-20 is being developed with Russian SU-57 expertise.
Paul
Good for target practice. Chinese crap doesn’t last long even against old Soviet weapons lol.
Zionism = EVIL
Actually, it is a Soviet era upgraded T-72, the Pakistanis assemble them at their Heavy Industrial Complex at Taxila paint it green and call it a Pakistani tank. Then they give it an Arabic or Persian name. Good think you Indians cancelled the 30 year old Arjunk tank as most third world countries can’t produce heavy weaponry. India now has one of the largest fleets of T-90, Iran is going for the same. The Iranian K https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/63ec83c4151bf7d4447ac555cdec0baf4ee8a84010276fd916d28f314571b437.jpg arrar (Striker) is also a modified T-90. There is no comparable armor to Russian/Soviet so far in terms of robustness, price and easy operation. The first Chinese T-59 were not the good as they crude copies of Soviet T-55 but their modern tanks are very good. Y The Chinese T-99 is an excellent tank. Use this forum to learn, get educated and be respectful as there are a lot of grown ups here with a lot of real military experience.
China still has a long way to go.Atleast they were able to produce their own weapons.But our defence industry is crappy.The government doesn’t want to spend on local defence manufacturing.Whenever there are border tensions with China or pakistan our ministers run towards Russia or USA.That being said the Chinese weapons lack quality.For instance I was reading somewhere Jordan lost all their 10 Chinese wing long drones to accidents.Same with the UAE.The Arabs aren’t happy with Chinese weapons.Even the Pakistanis import their weapons from Europe and not from China.
Zionism = EVIL
That is true to some extent. Chinese first generation weapons and planes were very low quality knock-offs of Soviet design. As a young GD pilot I had the opportunity to fly their copy of MIG-19, Farmer C J-6, it has very basic with no all weather radar and the airframe was very dicey and avionics taken out of a Moskvich 415 sedan :) However, thanks to Chengdu design bureau that has over 100,000 engineers, they have made remarkable progress thanks to Russian help again and also reverse engineering. I have examined their J-10 and it is very good. Russia is heavily involved in Chinese weapons programs and the Klimov RD-33 engines were the main engine for most jets. Now they have started reverse engineering Rolls Royce engines and they appear quite good.
Technology is incremental and once a nation gets hold of the basics it is easy. India has been allied to Soviets/Russians since the Nehru era and it to invest in expensive “prestige” projects would be wasteful. The Swedes tried that, and even then the SAAB’s had US engines. Pakistan is all boasts and simply does not have the money or the infrastructure to produce anything. Their heavy military complex at Taxila is basically a knock down kit assembly plant. Much like the propeller driven Mushak, which are basically assembled Swedish SAAB supporters. They had hard time assembling the JF-17 at Kamra, the latest block are all being made in China. Chinese weapons so far have not seen any major combat so the future will tell. Let’s hope India and China never find out and remain at peace.
Paul
Peace between India and China is very hard to achieve almost impossible.TBH we are heading for war.India will face a China Pakistan alliance.We have our own allies like the Afghan government , QUAD,Indonesia and some southeast Asian nations.Its gonna be a mess.
Zionism = EVIL
I am not that pessimistic. India like China, has a pretty sober intelligensia and they both know the costs and consequences. Wars are serious business and not kids wishful thinking. People who generally plan for wars are professionals with a calm mind. I am 100% certain, despite all Anglo-Zionist efforts to stoke a conflict, they will fail. You can save my post and show it to your children one day :)
Superfly
Nonsense.
Paul
We are already in a proxy war with the Chinese.We are targeting the Chinese interests and Chinese engineers almost daily in pakistan especially in balochistan as the balochis hate the Chinese as well.While the Chinese are funding insurgencies inside India.
Zionism = EVIL
Both India and China are involved in a slow cold war, I don’t believe India will fight China directly or vice versa, they are talking about 3 BILLION people and the planet would go up in ashes. Yes, these minor conflicts and intrigues will continue. India should focus on boxing in Pakistan, which is more possible. Pakistan, like Israel is a nuisance for everyone of its neighbors.
Paul
Israel does have their own interests,but it is an important Indian ally.They supplied us with critical weapons in 1999 when pakistan army invaded us.As far as pakistan is concerned, it is getting hammered day and night by our army.In case of China,I guess our current strategy is to drag the Chinese army in Balochistan were they will get targeted by the baloch.Im not sure about that though.
To be honest, Israel is nothing but 6 million imported racist garbage that talk and boast a lot and scared of a small quasi state actor as Hezbollah. They are just living off US which is in serious trouble. A recent analysis about US future is quite sobering.
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And we will keep supporting you Paul, no matter what!
Zionism = EVIL
Hush you little attention seeking war lusting Zionist cunt punk. Just yesterday racist Nutter Yahoo’s son was making fun of Hindus and you arsehole are a liar as always:
Thanks General PARMENION. This is a objective doco.
ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ
I try to be objective and fair. And to think in many different ways.
Zionism = EVIL
We have had a discussion before, I respect your comments, they are based on knowledge and experience. You are Greek patriot and I respect that.
Fog of War
Unfortunately, every tank design is ” excellent ” till the first minutes of warfare begin. The Chinese weapons will need to prove themselves in a real conflict. Till then, speculating on their worth is pointless.
cechas vodobenikov
u could be correct…I suspect that tanks r less important today given the lethality and accuracy of modern portable weapons
PZIVJ
Looks like a reactive armor V shape attached on both sides of main gun.
lovethemapples
Pakistan really seems to have picked up the industry with Chinese help. So China Pakistan and Myanmar, already blockades India.
Plus China kicked India from Iranian port project. Something is cooking. Could be a punishment for making too much fuss about unarmed clashes on LOC in Ladakh.
Zionism = EVIL
It really does not take a genius in military operations planning and strategic matrix development to know that India stands ZERO chance against China, and the grown ups in India know it.
ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ
He did not write this … but that Pakistan is receiving a lot of help from China . Do you agree or disagree with this ?? It is clear that India cannot defeat China.
Zionism = EVIL
You are right. Pakistan and China have a 60 year old “all weather friendship” . China is now the main aid donor and the Chinese are very well liked in the region. They are building dams and infrastructure all over Pakistan and blend in with the locals. The Chinese are down to earth and not arrogant as Americunt deadbeat arseholes .
The Chinese are calm chess players, they carefully choose their every move , they never do anything if they have no benefit. ..and make long-term plans.. China did not grow stronger in a short time. At first she took small, careful but SILENT steps.. Now her next moves will be BIGGER and FASTER.
Zionism = EVIL
Chinese are very calm and civilized people, they are not aggressive or boastful by nature. But if you pick a fight with them they revert back to Sun Tzu and the Art of War. Normally, even their children are very disciplined based on Confucian teachings. I like classical music, and every symphony or conservatory of music now has large numbers of Chinese musicians. They are very civilized and talented. No chest thumping, but get down to business. I met a Chinese diplomat once, who had served in Korea as a young officer, and he just stated the crossing of the Yalu and defeating the Americunts in such calm professional manner that it was very impressive.
ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ
Do you know why the Chinese treat HELLAS with respect and do not call it Greece??? “SI-LA” which means “the other great civilization”.
Zionism = EVIL
Absolutely, they like the Greeks and Persians and even Italians as they considered them civilized ancient people for centuries and had trade with them. Look at the key players in their ONE BELT, Greece is one of them. Iran is the key to their Eurasian policy.
ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ
Hellas is the “head of the Dragon” …. do you know where the word Dragon comes from ??? From two ancient pre-flood words …. that have Greek roots. Der and Ako =drako
Zionism = EVIL
No doubt, Greek, Persian and Latin (Italian now) are the world ancient languages. Mandarin is also very old and retained its purity, like Greek and Persian, which have influenced other languages heavily.
ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ
I will reveal something to you …. Der and Ako = drako means ” Temple of Fire” what the Dragon comes out of his mouth …. only FIRE.
FANFARONE 🐗 Year of the Pig 🐖👌
dracon = IE word
appendix derk-
To see. Oldest form *derk̑‑, becoming *derk‑ in centum languages.
Suffixed zero-grade form *dr̥k-on(t)‑. dragon, dragoon, drake2, tarragon; rankle, from Greek drakō, serpent, dragon (< "monster with the evil eye").
[Pokorny derk̑‑ 213.]
ancient greek verbal form : derkomai , to see clearly
We Greeks bear no love for irani, esp muzzie fundamentalist ones. We can boast having slain millions of them, more than arabs & turks combined will ever waste.
Superfly
China asks India to show some dignity and join the growing anti-US resistance nations.
ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ
Free Countries decide for themselves. The enslaved countries they do what their masters tell them
lovethemapples
It depends what is the chance in. I don’t think even China can get a military win, mostly due to the terrain and distance between Navy of each country. But again the world has changed, the wars are not blunt force face to face anymore. Its more of an economic confrontation along with coercion and internal conflicts with proxies and all other aspects.
Zionism = EVIL
China has no interest in invading India, its economy is booming and it is now the undisputed global power. It is India’s biggest trading partner. Wars are not kids fantasies. The Chinese proved their point in NEFA/Aksai Chin and now it is back to business. The real Indians who live in India, understand the power of China. Just laugh at the ranting kids here :) I just try to educate them.
lovethemapples
I wouln’t bother. The nationalist government is bolstering the same nationalist media in India. The confirmation bias is too high to crack. I just let them, satisfy themselves with their own comments.
Zionism = EVIL
I am not sure that Modi is a nationalist, he is an ignorant religious extremist like Erdogan, and fanning divisive agenda and as he is uneducated street tea stall vendor, the western powers play to his shallow ego. Sadly, Indians have always had an acute inferiority complex due to their skin color and caste system and the British racists exploited that. In India, can you believe it, people still bleach their skin and die, just to look a bit a bit light skinned. It is quite sad really. India has huge poverty problems and this Bilderberg Jew unbridled “capitalism” has made it worse as income inequality grows. The pathetic state of both US and Indian health care systems or lack of them has been exposed by the Covid virus and inability to handle it. India needs a decent government that can alleviate the misery of its teeming millions, not useless western weaponry.
Superfly
China urges India to join nations resisting US hegemony
China has called on India to join the nations resisting
American hegemony, amid increasingly aggressive anti-China posturing by
the United States.
India should thus resist hegemony together with China and other self-respecting nations. US and NATO intend to use India as cannon fodder in future conflicts, as British empire did.
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