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Admin Officials Already Trying To Walk Back Trump’s Syria ‘Withdrawal’

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Originally appeared at ZeroHedge

In what’s beginning to look like an exact repeat of April 2018, when Trump previously declared it was time to “bring the troops home” from Syria but severe push back from the generals and his own administration resulted in the opposite happening, a senior official has walked back some of the president’s statements regarding the new US draw down in northeast Syria.

In a call with reporters late Monday, following a prior Trump tweet declaring “It is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home,” a senior administration official told reporters “the U.S. is not removing its forces from Syria in the face of a Turkish incursion.” It appears the Pentagon is merely ready to reposition forces within the country, withdrawing from some key northern border posts:

Rather, the president ordered roughly 50 special operations troops in northern Syria to relocate to a different part of the country after he learned that Turkey has planned an offensive against U.S.-backed Kurdish forces in Syria. The official said that offensive had not yet begun.

Admin Officials Already Trying To Walk Back Trump's Syria 'Withdrawal'

US forces at Tanf base along the Syrian-Iraqi border, via Wiki Commons.

The report continues, based on the new statement issued on condition of anonymity, saying: “The latest assertion, however, appears to conflict with a flurry of tweets the president issued Monday, further explaining a White House statement late Sunday that first announced the withdrawal, but offered few details.”

A hasty US withdrawal from border observation posts such as at Tel Abyad and Ras al Ain in northeast Syria appears to have already happened.

Officially there’s still as many as 1,000 American troops occupying Syrian, in support of Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), who’ve said they were “betrayed” by the White House’s late Sunday statement, which said Turkey will move forward with a military incursion into Northern Syria and that American troops “will no longer be in the immediate area”. 

Pentagon officials and reports have claimed the defense department was “blindsided” by the administration’s withdrawal declaration.

Indeed it does appear that some top administration officials were confused by the new policy, as evidenced in a now deleted tweet by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

Esper had stated the US “does not endorse a Turkish operation in Northern Syria,” and further called any such move “destablizing” and that it would bring “consequences”. Likely the statement was premature, and Esper and deleted it in order to await and confirm the official policy, which may still be somewhat up in the air.

Uncertainty over the Pentagon’s ultimate direction and goal in Syria could remain all the way into next month, given Turkey’s President Erdogan and President Trump are set to discuss the matter of the so-called Turkish ‘safe zone’ in face-to-face talks in Washington.

Meanwhile, both sides of the aisle, including the military and intelligence ‘deep state’ are no doubt already mounting fierce push back.

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  • Assad must stay (gr8rambino)

    no no repeat of april 2018 no

  • Pave Way IV

    Everybody seems confused. Wake the f’ck up! This has nothing to do with the Turks or Syrian Kurds, and everything to do with the 15,000 ISIS held in reserve in al Hol Death Camp. When they escape (walk out after Kurds flee), they’re going to need weapons and ammo. LOTS of weapons and ammo.

    They’re going straight for the giant US arms depots set up mysteriously close to the Death Camps – the weapons supposedly there for the Kurds. Except (like always) they’ll end up in the hands of ISIS, who will promptly attack the SAA. A few show battles with the Kurds maybe, but that will be a distraction.

    The entire East European arms industry has been kept afloat by this massive order from the US. ISIS will be extremely well armed this time thanks to me, the US taxpayer. The Kurds are either stupid, or in on it.

    • Pave Way IV
    • Omega

      A most valid point but how do you reckon the US’ “withdrawal” (which, if I am not mistaking, leaves ISIS in the hands of Turkey) will end up benefiting ISIS?

      • Pave Way IV

        ISIS is already in the hands of Turkey. ISIS (temporarily) changed the name of their army and the head-choppers get a paycheck from Turkey, today. Turkey knows who they are, but prefers to call them moderate head-choppers because they will serve to create the ISIS head-chopper safe zone on Syrian territory. Erdogan doesn’t want to waste Turkish soldiers for occupying that future refugee dumpster buffer zone.

        Benefits? ISIS gets to live to see another day and reorganize in the buffer zone (after freeing their head-chopper pals and families from al Hol). They’ll strip every ‘US supplied’ Kurdish ammo and arms dump on the way out, and be well-armed to push back into 1) Idlib, or 2) the eastern oilfields (Omar, etc.) and eventually the Iraq-Syria border at al Qaim. It’s all Israel and the US have left to destabilize Syria, and ISIS isn’t getting any better offers (their Saudi and UAE benefactors are broke).

        • Pave Way IV

          This is just the old Israeli M4 plan. If Israel couldn’t get the Kurds to secure the M4 from the Mediterranean to Mosul, then it will sacrifice every last one of them if necessary and, instead, use ISIS and al Qaeda to secure the Israeli M4 corridor . Turkey doesn’t care what Israel does with the M4, as long as the head-choppers stay in Syria and the PKK is cut off from Syria.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb01b542cf764577270956dca4e299f494f9e5f5d932122e79061a1e3f1f86f0.jpg

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Since the Ottoman era the Turkeys have coveted the best lands of Syria which was breadbasket. Unfortunately, the pig Erdogan will succeed if the Russians go along.

          • Jens Holm

            M4 actually is very new, so the plan cant be that old :)

            Before that – as I recall it – the only relative good road was by Ain Isa.

            But that doesnt bother You at all.

        • Xoli Xoli

          Exactly very good valid information. The so call opposition activist tip off information indicate that ISIS Erdogan nickname HTS are moving weapons to Turkey Northern border safe zone.SDF is not risk at all it is USANATO game.Pretend as of ISIS annihilate you by leaving secret arms depots in ISIS=SDF hands.Meeting has scheduled to see Erdogan at White House.Actually Erdogan is so greed he wants all oil control in Iran,Cyprus,Georgia, Syria, Iraq,Qatar,Bahrain,Libya for him and his sons alone.He wants foto recognize as more important then Saudi Arabia and UAE.

        • Omega

          Astute assessment; thank you. It is true that ISIS is already in the hands of Turkey (they’ve been on the same side since day one). What I meant to say is that Trump seems to have turned his back on ISIS and leaves it entirely to Turkey. My understanding, based on the likes of Meyssan at Voltairenet and others is Trump wants to end perpetual wars. The US media making a big deal about Trump’s decision appeared indicative that he irked the deep state’s plan (at least to me) but it could just be another opportunity to demonize him further.

        • dutchnational

          I mostly agree with your factually correct comment here. I doubt however whether unarmed escaped prisoners from SDF will be able to take over guarded arms warehouses.

          Imo SDF will truck as many as possible, and at the least the over 20k iraqis kept by them, to KRG or Iraq, which will hang all of the adults.

      • Zionism = EVIL

        First of all as I wrote, three days ago before all this Pyrrhic excitement, the Americunts will never leave Syria or region unless they suffer mass casualties. They are the patsies for Zionist scum and will keep on pushing the devious 20th century British policy of divide and rule using pawns like the Turkeys, ISIS, SDF, Kurds and other paid treacherous scum. Turkey plans to annex a region 20 times the size of Golan Heights spanning close to 800 kms belt from Idlib to Iraqi border 30-40 kms in depth with more or less Russian approval. Once the Turkeys set up a defacto quisling government in this “security zone” Syria can kiss its sovereignty good bye. The only rational course is to wage a protracted resistance, but considering the treacherous nature of the Kurd turds I am not hopeful. The next 4 weeks will be crucial.

        • Omega

          True; the vermin never had the intention to leave. It reminds me what the vile British-serving Jabotinsky said in the early 1900s: “The only prospect that holds hope for us is the carving up of Syria… It is our task to prepare for that prospect. All else is a purposeless waste of time.” (“We and Turkey” in Di Tribune, November 30, 1915). The carving up of Syria was always in the backdrop just awaiting to unravel. One would think that Russia’s intervention was enough to prevent it but there again, Russia didn’t intervene out of love but interest. The Anglo-Saxon-Americans have played everyone for a long time. Those being “played” are either dumb to realize what’s going on or in on it as it benefits them.

        • Omega

          You were/are right; the vermin never had the intention to leave. It reminds me what the vile British-serving Jabotinsky said in the early 1900s: “The only prospect that holds hope for us is the carving up of Syria… It is our task to prepare for that prospect. All else is a purposeless waste of time.” (“We and Turkey” in Di Tribune, November 30, 1915). The carving up of Syria was always in the backdrop just awaiting to unravel. One would think that Russia’s intervention was enough to prevent it but there again, Russia didn’t intervene out of love but interest. The Anglo-Saxon-Americans have played everyone for a long time. Those being “played” are either dumb to realize what’s going on or in on it as it benefits them.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            My learned friend, I wish in this case I was not right. It is sad to see Syria, a progressive secular state being torn up by a variety of vultures. I hope Putin can see the light and take a more aggressive stance on the partition of Syria. I am not optimistic though, sadly.

        • klove and light

          Once the Turkeys set up a defacto quisling government in this “security zone” Syria can kiss its sovereignty good bye.

          SPOT ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          ty

          • Zionism = EVIL

            I have always believed that Turkey’s Wahhabi AKP and the pig Erdogan are in total collaboration with Zionists and the division of Syria and Iraq. It is sad to see the Arabs so divided that they can not see the Americunt, Zionist and Turkeys agenda. History has shown that once a foreign power occupies land and there is no resistance, then the defacto annexation become permanent. In my lifetime, I have seen Palestine gobbled up, Kashmir, Tibet, Xinjiang, Cyprus, Bosnia and so on..Syria will be truncated too and then like Iraq will cease to exist as a state.

          • Assad must stay (gr8rambino)

            we CANNOT let this happen

        • RichardD

          You’re jumping to conclusions that aren’t warranted by events. There hasn’t been any Turkish ground incursion east of the river yet. And even if there is. It will only push the Kurd traitors to reconcile with Damascus. Your large scale Turkish land grab is unlikely to materialize in the manner that you project.

          Repeating your Russia bashing is just going to be another weed in your cap like your Turkish partition and annexation of Idlib projection that failed to materialize. You said that you would revisit that if it didn’t turn out like you thought it would. It didn’t. And neither is your latest Russia bashing spiel likely to happen as you project either.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Like I said, I hope I am wrong on this one. But the Zionists, NATO poodles and Americunts are on the same page and want a permanent partition of Syria. From a military point of view, the border belt that Erdogan is trying to annex is flat terrain and a big IF the Turkeys do invade the Kurds will be overrun relatively fast due to airpower, unless SAA and Russia provide AD cover. Like I said we will find out in 3-4 weeks.

          • RichardD

            There’s a high probability that you are wrong and will be proven so.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Let’s hope so. Time will tell.

    • Xoli Xoli

      This is true,both ISIS and SDF are serving USANATO. In most past events when SAA and Russia surrounded ISIS their were quickly submerge into SDF by camouflaged in SDF uniform.

      There is no difference between Turkey ISIS and USA NATO ISIS.
      Both groups are used to loot Syrian oil,gas and gold and to destabilize Syria.Destabilizing Syria serve in Israel benefit to cause insecurity in Iran.

      • Donald Moore

        You are spot right on!

        • Jens Holm

          Like a camel handling a jet airplane.

        • Xoli Xoli

          Thank you Mr.Moore.

  • Donald Moore

    It seems strange now that the president said we need to get out of Syria ISIS attacks the Kurds because of the pending Turk attack. If ISIS was going to attack they would wait till for the Turks to attack and tie down the Kurds up north then they would strike south. This is the same bull, make up a False Flag that ISIS is still as strong as ever so the US has to stay. The only way for ISIS to do anything is for what Pave Way IV said, for the US to give them some serious weapons but ISIS has there marching orders they are to attack the SAA only and not the Kurds, except for make believe!

    • Xoli Xoli

      Good observation nothing to add.

      • Donald Moore

        Thanx, with all the other False Flags thrown at Russia, Syria and even Iran by the US and their lackeys it is easy to spot them!

        • Jens Holm

          I see no false flags apart from some nasty propaganda here and there.

          • Donald Moore

            It seems strange that when the US pulls it’s 50 men out ISIS starts attacking, its like when Syria starts kicking the terrorist butt they get accused of using chlorine gas on the head-choppers. The War Machine does not want us out so they tell their fav terrs (ISIS) start attacking the Kurds so the US will have to stay. Been reading before the Turks attack the Kurds said they are sending re-enforcement’s to the border, when the Turks attacked then they are running without putting up much of a fight. False Flag, maybe not but it don’t look kosher. Like Trump said we gave them truck convoys after truck convoys of weapons not long before this happen but the Kurds run. If the US is smart and just pulls out look at the headlines down the road where the Kurds are selling the US stuff on the black market!

    • Jens Holm

      If You had taken all information it, The USA has told, they would stay as long as Assads are a threat to SDFs – As well as Assads and SDFs somehow should make a kind of unification still being one country.

      Too much focus on the ISIS leftovers. They are done as local force having a territory there. They also are done there, because their main expertice, which made the socalled state well, almost all are killed and they have no money.

      So theISIS force is now in terror-guerilla groups in several groups around the world being not coordinated and having no Raqqa and Syria/Iraq as center just as Shiits have Teheran.

  • michaelj72a

    Journalist michael tracey, as so often happens, has it totally right, especially on the second count:

    “Why is it that the media always ends up defending perpetual war?”

    why oh why??

    there’s all this talk and huffing in the media about the trump towers in Istanbul being the reason he’s made the decision to take US troops away from the border (certainly a factor if you ask me), but there’s never any questioning the underlying fact that the US occupation and presence in Syria was illegal from the very start, and even more importantly, what economic interests are propelling these war-driven policies in the first place?

  • Tommy Jensen

    Trump announce US withdraw from E-Syria and you believe in it.
    Secretly in the night thousands of trucks and low-beds with modern weapons drive safe through Iraq and NE-Syria to our bases and allies without a scratch.

    We say the weapons are for the Kurds to fight ISIS, and you smile and you believe it …………LOL.
    Nobody dare to touch a US truck collonne in a war zone, because everybody fear an American.
    And suddenly it happens, and you are stunned and surprised of US showing leadership again.

    In a ultra smart manoeuvre Americans outperform everybody on the ground and Putin sits in a quagmire licking his wounds and he cant get out from Syria because he is cornered.
    Like in Afghanistan the Russians in the end will run to the helicopter to escape with their tails between the legs, because the Americans were too smart and too tough for the Commies.
    We won again ………..LOL.

    • Xoli Xoli

      Exactly Putin has been outmaneuvered. He thought he has Erdogan on his side to humiliate USA.But Erdogan dance USA music.He was frustrated with USA for failing to create quick no fly zone in Northern Syria to form a safe heaven for his terrorists from Russia and Syria.Now Erdogan is going to create a demarcation zone of 40 km breadth.Wither Idlib false strategic Turkey, USA and Israel NATO positions of influence in Syria will serve as sabotage and retreat zones.
      If Putin keep on believing in his mister Erdogan and suppress Russian military influence then behaps he will end up calling Syria is free let’s withdraw as USANATO, Israel,Turkey web squeeze him.

      • Jens Holm

        I sure Putin never has thought like that. He has smiled making that scratch only.

        And they do have the oil deal. Thats important.

  • nick1111

    Media belongs to Jews

    • Zionism = EVIL

      No shit Sherlock :)

    • Jens Holm

      Very good. Is it Yours too.

  • Xoli Xoli

    Trump and Erdogan have outsmart mr.super cool Putin.Russia must bombard all abandone USA secret weapons depots.

    • verner

      not at all, putin’s hold on developments in syria is formidable – turkey can obliterate the kurds at will and will soon be joined by syria unless the kurds before then has reached an agreement with assad which will mean that they will crawl back to the state that was before the outbreak of the war. turkey, syria, iraq and iran have the same take on the kurdish issue and that is that you can’t grant them an inch of rights since 25 to 30 million kurds on the loose will mean too much hassle and thus they need to be contained. the unhinged states of A’s support has not been anything else than temporary and since Trump wants to quit the middle east wars, syria will be the first from which troops are withdrawn. admittedly there are different interests in the american administrations but trump is working his way to be the commander in chief who can’t be questioned or countermanded.

      he won’t be impeached and he will become the unquestioned commander in chief with all the prerogatives of that title, that idiots like g w bush and dumbf..ck obama yielded to the various institutions and which those institutions now find it hard to hand back.

  • RichardD

    Trying to walk back an anti establishment policy like stopping the forever wars is a given. If for no other reason than Trump is the only one ostensibly advocating stopping the forever wars. And all of the other Zionists in an almost exclusively Zionist US government are advocating continuing the forever wars for Jews.

    Trump’s all talk with almost no action electioneering ploys have to be put in perspective. He talks up antiwar advocacy, and then does next to nothing to implement it. Or worse, actively engages in aggression like the Syrian false flag attacks and intervenes to keep the wars going where there is support to stop them. Like vetoing the end support for the Yemen war bill that was passed by the legislature.

    This makes Trump’s self promoted antiwar credentials essentially fake. Whether this latest withdrawal proclamation actually materializes or gets walked back like all of the others is yet to be determined. With Trump’s track record it isn’t looking good. But with all of the reelection polls showing him losing, including those by companies that got the last election right. He might actually deliver this time in an attempt to reclaim all of the people who’ve stopped supporting him due to his constant failures to deliver what he campaigned on and his endless bait and switch gyrations.

  • klove and light

    everything to do with the 15,000 ISIS held in reserve in al Hol Death Camp. When they escape (walk

    nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and i wont even go into the reasons….. pure nonsense

  • klove and light

    all nations that recocgnize the ilegal satanic Entity named Israel are part of the Agenda.>A one world Government with Jerusalem as ist capital under satanic jewish Leadership.This includes Russia,usa,uk,eu,china,turkey etc…..

    Russia/USA to sides of the same coin!!!!!

    Zionist jew controlled.Period!!!!

    • Jens Holm

      Thats no correct at all. Only some few very few fanatic Christians might like that as well as the fanatic parrt of the non sekular jews.

      But thats how it is. You only learn about the bad we have and then tell, that the wast majority or more is like that.

      Very strange any should prefare Your kind of the dark, where most of You cant read and certainly not the Choran. You even hardly educate half of the population and make them extreme dum.

  • klove and light

    u wanna be against satanic zionism then join the Group….. Hezbollah,PMU in iraq, Houthi,Syrian and iranian Forces………..Thats it…thats the Group…….Russia aint in it, USA aint in it, uk aint in it, eu aint in it, China aint in it!!!!

    hezbollah,PMU,iran Always CALLS them out….. “Evil satanic zionism”

    so what do we hear from Russia,usa,uk,etc……

    “my dear Friends in Israel” from all of them…

    trump,putin and the rest of the bunch are Zionist pigs.

  • verner

    klove and lightmost certainly is a retarded israeli pig working out of tel aviv or haifa or some such place and his interpretations of situations always, without fail, are distorted and meant to mislead the reader – now be aware of him/her and zionist = evil of the same ilk.

    • RichardD

      ZE has toned down his Russia bashing a lot. He’s a plagiarist and disinfo peddler. He does provide some interesting material. But he also posts gutter rubbish that detracts from the site.

      • Zionism = EVIL

        Jew moron ROFLMAO.

        • RichardD

          Your false accusations given your history of lies and stupidity are laughable.

        • Jens Holm

          According to me ost people in the world are jews, because they for good reasons dont like You.

          Hip-hip for all our united jews.

    • Jens Holm

      Pigs are the most clean and bright animals i the world, if they get the right conditons. Our pigs are ancisters of the ones, which escaped from You.

  • RichardD

    “The Turkish Air Force on Monday reportedly bombed a weapons convoy that was destined for the Kurdish-led forces in northeastern Syria, the Turkish Ministry of Defense said.

    According to the reports, Turkish F-16 jets bombed the weapons convoy as it entered Syria’s Al-Hasakah Governorate from nearby Iraq.

    At the same time, Turkish airstrikes were also reported inside the Al-Hasakah Governorate, as the latter was targeting a base belonging to the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).”

    – Turkish Air Force bombs alleged weapons convoy destined for Kurdish troops in Syria –

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-air-force-bombs-alleged-weapons-convoy-destined-for-kurdish-troops-in-syria/

  • RichardD

    If the Turkish attacks on the SDF in NE Syria are actually happening. It marks a sea change in US strategy in the region. However I wouldn’t count on the US showing the same deference to the Syrian government coalition in SDF areas south of the border. Given the US history of attacks there.

    It is worth pointing out that Turkey now has the S-400 systems operational, which in conjunction with a fairly robust air force. Makes any US attacks on Turkish military operations for the SDF far from a riskless option.

    The SADF has far more extensive capabilities than any regional military, including Israel. And if the reports about the Russian air force intercepting IAF aircraft to prevent attacks on Syria from outside of Syrian air space. This is indicative of a more muscular Russian approach to foreign fighter plane attacks on Syria.

    The last thing that the US wants is to start losing it’s fancy stealth aircraft and fighters to Russian or even Iranian equipment over Syria. With the recent drone shoot down in the Persian Gulf and the catastrophic air defense failure in Saudi Arabia. If the US starts losing planes over Syria it would further diminish US and NATO credibility. Making the ziocon chicken hawks the laughing stock of the world, even more so than they already are.

    And would further erode their grip on the American political system with most of the citizenry already turning against them. Even more so if you back out the Christian Zionist lunatic fringe of the 20% of the US electorate. That supports Israel regardless of the Jew’s crimes in the US and Palestine.

    • Jens Holm

      Joke telling again. Turks hardly has a single S400 and USA retreat ????

  • Free man

    Syrian Kurds didn’t fire a single shotgun at Turkey. But Erdogan is nevertheless pushing Turkey into an unnecessary war that will cause enormous damage to Turkey.
    No one supports the Turkish invasion (except ISIS and other jihadists ).

    • Zionism = EVIL

      Never forget the Turkeys are part of NATO and dance to the Zionist tune. Istanbul has the largest Mossad station in the region and Ankara hosts IDF bases. The Turks are historically treacherous people and hostile to Arabs, and the Brits used the divide and rule to destroy the moth eaten Ottoman “empire” which the moron Erdogan is trying to resurrect. Why do you thing the pig Erdogan is going to see his orange fatass masters in Washington D.C on November 14? Americunts, Zionists and Wahhabis are on the same page on Syria and Iraq. The most baffling is the Russian collusion.

      • RichardD

        “Istanbul has the largest Mossad station in the region and Ankara hosts IDF bases.”

        Do you have any links supporting this contention?

        • Zionism = EVIL

          Google Israeli intelligence operations in Turkey and this is from Haaretz;

          Israelis Are Flocking to Istanbul, and Erdogan Couldn’t Be Happier

          The number of Israeli businesspeople and vacationers flooding Turkey last year was the highest in a decade.

          Who do you think these “businesspeople” and “vacationers” are?

          • RichardD

            In other words you refuse to provide links proving your contentions and are trying to get me to prove your claim for you. Anyplace that has a synagogue has an Israeli intelligence link. That doesn’t prove your point.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            and you will remain a Jew idiot :) and a liar, now fuck off moron.

          • RichardD

            Your hatred of truth from having your lies exposed is plain for all to see.

          • Jens Holm

            No links. Not a single link for Israelians kind of dominating Istanbul as well.

            If You want to lie, do it better… Maybee You can learn by Mossad:)

          • RichardD

            I Googled it and didn’t find anything. Where are these purported IDF bases? There isn’t anything on that either. You’re looking like a bs artist. But we already knew that.

          • Jens Holm

            Your addictions hardly is true. It will be normal business people from Israel is there too as everybody else.

      • RichardD

        Turkey opted out of the F-35 program with their S-400 purchase. Their NATO membership today is a far cry from what it was before the coup. Which was a real eye opener for the Turks. They’ve clearly swung from the NATO to the SCO orbit, regardless of what their official affiliations are.

        The Russian energy pipeline, nuclear plants, S-400 purchase, and possible SU-57 purchase are all indications of this. And with Trump’s economic terrorism against them you can believe they’ve got economic counter measure deals going with China and probably India even if it isn’t open source information at this time.

      • Free man

        There is no global collusion here. Only a Turkish stubbornness on going against the whole world (except for their jihadist allies).

        • Jens Holm

          The globe is his. Not even half of the Turks like AKPs .

      • Jens Holm

        Mossads or something like them are in Turkey to learn Turks about anti-guerilla-warfare against kurds, if they still are there. I think it was long time ago, they ever was.

    • RichardD

      “Kurdish militants have perpetrated yet another act of terror inside Turkey, this time targeting a military bus. The attack is one of many in the recent months targeting military personal and civilians, aimed at sowing chaos in the country and engaging the Turkish military in an expensive war of attrition.”

      – Kurdish Terrorism Increases in Turkey –

      https://www.mepc.org/commentary/kurdish-terrorism-increases-turkey

      • Free man

        If there is Kurdish terrorism in Turkey, is it a justification for Turkey to invade Syria? If the Syrian Kurds don’t attack Turkey the Turks have no reason to invade Syria. Turkey’s real goal is to control northern Syria with the help of the militias it operates.

        • RichardD

          The Syrian Kurds have a long history of cross border support and incursions. This is acknowledged by Damascus and there is a treaty between Syria and Turkey to address this issue. Right now with the US preventing Syria from upholding it’s treaty obligations the Turks have a right to conduct operations in self defense. Though it is messy because the Turks have broken off diplomatic relations with Syria and are in breach of the treaty themselves because of it.

          “Turkey has condemned Syria for supporting the PKK, which is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by a number of states and organizations, including the US, NATO, and the EU and has claimed that Syria employed Alois Brunner to train Kurdish militants for attacks against Turkey.[6]

          The two countries came to the brink of war when Turkey threatened military action if Syria continued to shelter Abdullah Öcalan in Damascus, his long-time safe haven. Relations have improved since October 1998, when Öcalan was expelled by Damascus and Syria pledged to stop harbouring the PKK militants and the 1999 signing of the Adana agreement, following his subsequent capture in Kenya, envisaged security cooperation between the two countries.”

          – Syria–Turkey relations –

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_relations#Support_to_the_PKK

        • RichardD

          “In light of the messages conveyed on behalf of Syria by the President of the Arab Republic of Egypt, H.E.Mr. Hosni Mubarak and by the Iranian Foreign Minister H.E.Mr. Kamal Kharrazi on behalf of the Iranian President H.E.Mr. Seyid Mohammed Khatemi and by the Foreign Minister of the Arab Republic of Egypt H.E. Mr. Amr Moussa, the Turkish and Syrian delegations whose names are in the attached list (annex 1) have met in Adana on 19 and 20 October 1998 to discuss the issue of cooperation in combating terrorism.

          In the meeting the Turkish side repeated the Turkish demands presented to the Egyptian President (annex 2) to eliminate the current tension in their relations.Furthermore, the Turkish side brought to the attention of the Syrian side the reply that was received from Syria through the Arab Republic of Egypt, which entails the following commitments :

          1. As of now, Öcalan is not in Syria and he definitely will not be allowed to enter Syria.

          2. PKK elements abroad will not be permitted to enter Syria.

          3. As of now PKK camps are not operational and definitely will not be allowed to become active.

          4. Many PKK members have been arrested and have been taken to court. Their lists have been prepared Syria presented these lists to the Turkish side.

          The Syrian side has confirmed the above mentioned points. Furthermore, the sides also have agreed on the following points:

          1. Syria, on the basis of the principle of reciprocity, will not permit any activity which emanates from its territory aimed at jeopardizing the security and stability of Turkey. Syria will not allow the supply of weapons, logistic material, financial support to and propaganda activities of the PKK on its territory.

          2. Syria has recognized that the PKK is a terrorist organization. Syria has, alongside other terrorist organizations, prohibited all activities of the PKK and its affiliated organizations on its territory.

          3. Syria will not allow the PKK to establish camps and other facilities for training and shelter or to have commercial activities on its territory.

          4. Syria will not allow PKK members to use its country for transit to third countries.

          5. Syria will take all necessary measures to prevent the chieftain of the PKK terrorist organization from entering into Syrian territory and will instruct its authorities at border points to that effect.

          Both sides have agreed to establish certain mechanisms for the effective and transparent implementation of the measures mentioned above.

          In this context;

          a) A direct phone link will immediately be established and operated between the high level security authorities of the two countries.

          b) The Sides will appoint two special representatives each to their diplomatic missions and these officials will be presented to the authorities of the host-country by the heads of mission.

          c) The Turkish side, within the context of combating terrorism, has proposed to the Syrian side to establish a system that will enable the monitoring of security enhancing measures and their effectiveness. The Syrian side has stated that it will present this proposal to its authorities for approval and will reply as soon as possible.

          d) The Turkish and Syrian sides, contingent upon obtaining Lebanon’s consent, have agreed to take up the issue of the combat against PKK terrorism in a tripartite framework.

          e) The Syrian side commits itself to take the necessary measures for the implementation of the points mentioned in this “Minutes” and for the achievement of concrete results.

          Adana, October 20,1998

          For the Turkish Delegation
          Ambassador
          Uğur Ziyal
          Deputy Under-Secretary
          Ministry of Foreign Affairs For the Syrian Delegation
          Major General
          Adnan Badr Al-Hassan
          Head of Political Security

          – Minutes of the Agreement Signed by Turkey and Syria in Adana (Unofficial Translation) – 20 October 1999 –

          https://www.mafhoum.com/press/50P2.htm

  • Johan

    Erdogan and Trump or both lose canons, irrational and unreliable clowns. Erdogan iman of his violent and cruel totalitair ideology is ones more invading this time a peaceful part of the middle east to install 3,5 million strangers so he can delete the Kurdish identity as he did in al Bab and Afrin and this to solve the problem he created in the first time. He will use the jihadist terrorists he created in Idlib and sponsored from the start of the Islamic State originated. Trump is a same sort retardet selfish narcist as Erdogan the “great and unmatched wisdom” both claim is evidence of their stupidity. Both are committing war crimes in this the one by committing a cruel genocide the other by facilitating, both should hang.

  • dutchnational

    Read somewhere a comment that is seems Trump is trying to throw US foreign policy into as much screw up ‘s as possible. Whether or not intended, the results are clear to see.

    It will only convince republican senators it is time to ditch him.

    • Jens Holm

      He is like a dice. I also wonder how they can accept an President, which fire people for totally important things and not being able to make some systematic initiatives.

  • You can call me Al

    We must not let down our brothers with hooked noses.

  • Redadmiral

    Kurdish Rats claiming they are being betrayed by the White House. What is it that these treacherous vermin don’t understand? This war would be over 3 years ago had they supported their country and joined it’s army. Betraying their country for 30 broken promises and tarnished silver has brought them to where they are now. And it is so the wrong place. Yer pipe dreams were always shrouded in Yanki smoke. Time to wake the fuck up before your greatest nightmare begins. Take the exceptional and generous offer your government have put on the table and bid farewell to those who never were your friends they only ever had intrests.

    • Jens Holm

      Nothing strange for Kurds and SDFs. They have asked for more local independensy or even an own country. Suddenly they see Assads cant and wont defend them.

      They the should join the Syrian Army. You must be mad.

      Almost all the refugees wasnt made by them as well. They were the second choise by USAm beacuse ISIS was the last chance to remove Assad or moderate and renew the Baathists.

      And they took it and got a lot of local cupport, because they behaved well and being helped, they threw out ISIS.

      Assads betrayed them or could not defend them, because the Assad system is very one stringed and narrowminded making Syria and fx also Iraq rhe same as BAD GOVERNESS.

      There was no Kurdish uprise.